u.s., and i think that there was some contrast between what he thought and what somebody like john foster dulles thought. and he apparently did think that the u.s. could sort of by pakistan and its loyalties, that the u.s. provided enough military aid to pakistan was developed the same strategic interests as the u.s. and so what do you think it accounts for, these differences. and has anything really changed? and we still have the same debates going on? >> we come to the subject of change and what has not changed, so let's go to the beginning. so when he came to the united states, he said you have no realistic expectations and you really want military assistance to confront india and we have no interest in new fighting india. and you have a total on the list the expectation of this and pakistan's first request was for $2 billion in 1947 in the united states could only give a certain amount and it was a big delusion. he was most known for devising or conceptualizing things because he understood what the soviets wanted. and that is part of them getting in bold and having a pool of experts. but the