joining me now, our rapid response panel, john fugelsang and ruth conniff of "the progressive" magazineangerous is this group to the progressive movement? look, there are some things this outfit would vote with the left on. the center is very, very important. but the things they wrote about elizabeth warren were very, very interesting, to say the least. where does this all cut? >>el with, look, i mean, i think in some ways, they're less dangerous now than they were during the clinton administration when we heard a lot from the dlc about third way. and president clinton himself used the phrase, "the third way." and the idea was, in a boom time when we didn't have such high unemployment, you could make this argument that somehow the interests of the very, very rich were the same as the interests of main street. that's an argument that just does not fly with the occupy generation. and i found this wall street journal editorial hilarious in some ways. because there's no way that you can credibly make the case to general xors and millennials they should be more concerned about the national d

i saw your interview there with john fugelsang. said at the end where he says, well, he left some room for improvement. but the reality is that all of us, whether it's about race or class or ethnicity or gender or sexuality, we have got to come to grips in 2013 with the fact that this is a multiracial, multicultural nation of all sorts of people. >> yeah. >> and until we make room for everybody, nobody really stands. >> but he did say that he thought that black people were happy before -- you know, before the civil rights movement. basically, that's where he came from. >> you know what, if happy means you're an forced into a disagreeable position because you're trying to undermine the culture, a lot of black happiness was subversive. it was smiling in the face of white people to undermine culture and to resist their politics. so when he looks at happy negroes, he better think again. first of all, when black people sang negro spirituals, they were saying hey, we got to get out of here in time for the revolution to take place. and ma