i'm now enjoying by john gong, professor and vice president for research and strategic studies at the university of international business and economics and china form experts is great to talk to thank you very much for your time. thank you very much. be happy here. now you've heard my introduction and i actually borrowed the, you know, this a nice play of words from your own article in which you called for a coalition of the unwilling an alliance of nations saying out of the ukrainian conflict, which i think increasingly looks like a and as a social struggle between the rush on one side and the west on the other side. so why is being neutral and ethical and moral positions? aren't you supposed to choose between the forces of good and the forces available? well, 1st thing i want to say is that today, stay out of the war. it's not just enough for, for example, china has to be under tremendous political pressure to do something on this side on that side, on the, and i think the countries that represent that can, the new tony camp is actually quite large. i mean, that's the lowest majori

very unclear to get a time time to sit down and talk the the welcome back to wells, of course with john gong, professor and vice president for research and strategic studies of the university opens national business and economics and china for an expert person going before the break. we were talking about the american preferred vision, all 5 of china rich, china doesn't really one for itself. i'm the you mentioned before that at any a times by china to build independent relationship with other countries is viewed as something negative. for example, your neutrality stands on the ukraine and conflict is interpreted as a siding with russia. and i've heard one very interesting russian experts suggest that the best way to describe a russian china is relationship would be not when, when, but actually is not losing all fluids because its country pursues that its own policy, its own economic goals. but they have a key interest in not seeing the either fail, especially as the washington tries to undermine both of them. do you agree with that? that i totally agree. i think this is a very accurate stat

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