yeah, john graham. and there are also other stakeholders involved of the african union in the u. n. d. got in various doing this and who are involved in this piece process. so it's about holding these processes to this individuals to account, but also about ensuring that the sub 2 mechanisms that have been put in place, such as an undergo such as sections and travel bonds that the vision you know implements some of these mechanisms that have been put in place and that the, our process is to was ensuring accountability for the many horrendous for richard crime. so we have documented and many others have documented since country copy 2013. so at the end of the day, yes, which are in kia and president, kia uh, fox, but the are seem to be the, you know, the 2 people don't hold much of the interest insults a dog. but as many civil society active, this will will tell you the country is bigger and the future belongs to many subsidies. yeah, good. just to be clear that one, that point you were making about crimes being committed. and these being the 2 man who's being in charge and, and they

these attacks came from the usual suspects folks like lindsey graham, john mccain, republican senatorsin the end, obama turned out to be right. and ironically, his position was just summed up nicely by none other than trump. >> i would rather negotiate a deal. i'm not sure that everybody agrees with me, but we can make a deal that would be just as good as if you won militarily. >> now trump, like obama before him, knows that talking to adversaries is not a sign of american weakness. it's actually a sign of american strength and prudence. which brings me to the other item trump got right this week. axios barak ravid reports that trump's administration has been negotiating directly with hamas, both over the release of u.s. hostages still held in gaza, and on the possibility of a broader deal. of course, as you can imagine, this news did not go well with the israeli government. benjamin netanyahu's top aide, ron dermer, reportedly erupted in a call with trump's hostage envoy objecting to the talks and to making proposals without israel's consent. and this followed a report by israeli jour

john. >> three years ago, lindsey graham would be surprised by last night. lindsey graham. all right. with us now is christine quinn, executive committee chair for the state of new york's democratic committee and former white house spokesperson under president george w. bush. pete, see, friends, i'm going to change focus a little bit to this speech tomorrow night. and what else the president will or will not discuss, because the wall street journal and politico and a lot of people are writing this morning about what donald trump, the president, has not been focused as much on stephen moore, who is a fierce ally of president trump for years and years, now raises some concerns about how this white house isn't addressing the economy so much. stephen moore says, quote, i'm nervous about it. stephen moore, a veteran outside adviser to trump on economic issues. we have a graphic of this. the trump administration needs to keep its eye on what's happening with prices. it should be a top priority. the trend is a little bit troubling. what do you think of that, pete? >> i don't know. >> well, p

thing about the cat but i will put a different spin on it ♪ ♪ ♪ >> john: what does curiosity sound like? in 1876 on this day alexander grahamwhen a telephone sounded like. and according to his assistant thomas watson, the inventor spilled acid and it shouted "mr. watson, come here, i want to seal." the message traveled down the hall through the device they worked on, unexpectedly demonstrating the telephone worked which helped bell forget about the acid that. one of history's most famous accidents but the real unexpected event that led to the telephone happened a year earlier when bell and watson were working on something else entirely -- the telegraph. him watson tweaked a part of the equipment, it made a sound which bell heard through the wire in the next room, he wasn't expecting that. it was like a knock on the door they didn't know existed to. he could've ignored the noise and frustrated at the distraction from the task at hand -- instead he followed his curiosity to develop an entirely different device. science fiction writer isaac asimov said the most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new disco

graham. and by the way, john mccain must be so horrified. to see what his friend is doing right now from wherever he is, is watching this. >> but, you know. >> you think about people like lindsey. >> graham, who i'm sure. >> have been telling. >> themselves over the years that, you know. >> i need to suck up to donald trump because i need to be in the room. i need to be the adult that stops. bad things from happening. and yet over the last week, what has happened? we have abandoned our allies. we voted with russia in the united nations. we humiliated not just simply berated president zelensky, but humiliated him in a way that world. leaders do not do. what happened in the oval office has never. happened in american history. no american. president has behaved that way in in public. lindsey graham knows. >> this and. >> yet has decided that he's going to continue his sycophancy. >> his his. >> his bending of the knee. and again. at one time you could say, okay, he's being transactional. he's going. >> to prevent us. he's going to prevent. >> do

know, the figures of the 1950s, the fulton sheen and reinhold niebuhr enjoyed or even john paul the second and billy graham enjoyed in american life, even the most successful sort of embodiment of institutional christianity are either seen as sort of intense partizan figures or seen as sectarian figures, not as sort of widely leaders. so it's not the case that institutional has recovered any kind of credibility but in an odd way, i think that's actually part of why are willing to look at it again that there's a sense in which as long as institutional religion still seemed to exercise some real direct power in american life. the was always on its and hypocrisies and failures and so and you did have to hit a kind of bottom for people to say hmm you know latin mass catholicism eastern orthodoxy interesting stuff here. right? like that. you actually did have to to use evangelical language deacons to the institutions to some degree, to get people to take a new. so you have that environment where people who have little attachment to are looking seriously at traditional religion again. but then you also have envi

. >> and i remember the late senator john mccain in 2015, along with, you know, senator lindsey graham the. >> dire situation at that time in ukraine. let's listen first to the senator from arizona. >> it's shameful. vladimir putin has not paid any price. even the. ceasefire was violated. >> until he. >> achieved his objective. ukrainians aren't asking for american. >> boots on the ground. that's not the. question here. they're asking for. >> weapons to. >> defend themselves and they're. >> being slaughtered. this is a shameful chapter. >> i'm ashamed of my country. >> i'm ashamed of. >> my president. >> and i'm ashamed. >> of. myself that i haven't done. >> more to. >> help these people. >> it is. >> really, really heartbreaking. >> and just just real quick on that. you had headlines screaming at that time in washington times, lindsey graham and mccain blasting the obama administration for waffling on arming ukraine. and then today, after this, you have lindsey graham saying this. >> i have never been more. proud of the president. i was very proud of jd vance standing up for our count

lindsey graham has always been a big defender of ukraine, as obviously john mccain was.ey were very close and they worked on a lot of this stuff together. and for him to jump in there with the president in this, what what feels to me like like the united states suddenly switched sides in this conflict. we've never done anything like this before. so i'm disappointed in some of my republican colleagues, but not all of them. lisa murkowski put out a statement last night. and, you know, and very plainly said why this is important to the united states, that we fix this. and sounded like she was rather disgusted about what happened in the oval office. >> senator mark kelly, let's hope there's more like her, even privately. thank you so much for joining us. it's really important for people to understand this issue. >> and. >> you know a great deal. >> i know, i know there are there are more like like her and they need to speak out. >> i hope they do. thank you, senator, so much for joining me. >> thank you jen. >> coming up, why does elon musk actually want to gut the federal g

i mean, lindsey graham has been traveling the world. he used to travel with with johnnd strong democracies that america would always be there. what does the world make of men like lindsey graham? >> i mean, i think we can we can agree that much of the world doesn't know who lindsey graham is. and so maybe that's that's a reassurance for. i do think there is there is something people who do follow us politics and watch it closely and talk a lot to americans. i think people are disturbed by this phenomenon of americans who are the frankest, brashest, boldest people on the planet. you know, the people who say what they think and who aren't shy. i think there is something disturbing to people who know and love americans about this sudden cringe, you know, in this, people watching their words and speaking very carefully and suddenly falling in line. i mean, it's just not a way that people thought americans behaved. and as i was saying previously, there is a there's a general feeling that we're suddenly seeing something new in the united states. and one of them is this level

. >> lindsey graham twisting and contorting once again, all for the benefit of donald trump. i must tell you, my last meeting with john mccain, there were two things that were on his mind. one was the continuing threat from vladimir putin, which he talked about at great length. he brought up the names of all the political leaders that vladimir putin had killed and all the treaties that he had broken. and the second was his heartbreak with lindsey graham for basically selling out all of his values for a round of golf with donald trump. >> the first. >> sound we heard there from. >> lindsey graham was just. >> two. >> weeks ago. >> at the munich security conference. that's when he praised zelensky sitting alongside him, saying he was. a model ally. and then. >> the last bit was. >> friday after the. >> meeting where graham, like so many members. >> of the trump cabinet. looked like they were handed talking points. they all took to twitter, they all. >> praised trump. they all thanked trump. >> for how tough he was in that meeting. that includes. >> secretary of. >> state rubio. >> do you think marco got out of his like