. >> we should talk about that joining us with his take on apple's results, john gruber it seems likeh the iphone and the lack of guidance i'm not sure i care about the fiscal q-4 shortfall in iphones because people were waiting for the new one unlike most years we didn't get any of the new ones in these numbers and it seems to me like they're selling as many as they can make >> yeah, and last year -- it varies from year to year last year, all of the then new iphones launched on september 20th that's 10, 11 days into the quarter. but for the iphone with so many enthusiasts who jump on it right away, that makes a difference. none of the iphones launched until now and a lot of the uncertainty going forward is the two most interesting iphones, the mini and the pro max still aren't on sale there's a lot of uncertainty that apple is going to do exactly what you said, make them as fast as they can and meet demand i don't think that's why they didn't want to issue guidance. >> i guess what confuses me most about this move by tim and team, not to issue guidance, is, sure, you don't know exact