hansen of consumer reports, jon entine says it's scaremongering. but jonathan, seeds of death and holes in the gi tract, that sounds scary. >> there is no scientific evidence that supports the scare. john: there must be some. >> not that there's any harm. we've eaten about 17 trillion meals since gmo's first came on the market. there is not evidence about someone getting so much as a sniffle. you can create scare stories, fear of the unknown, if we're going to rely on empirical science, no evidence. john: michael, i got to say i agree with him. i think consumer reports scares everyone about trivial risks. >> the fact of the matter is genetic engineering is different it. raises risks that should require assessment before the crops come on the market, and those assessments haven't been done. john: jon, they haven't been done? >> he's wrong. he's verging onying because he's implying that -- very strong words, i understand that. he's implying we don't have a regulatory system in place to evaluate the safety of gmo's. that's flat-out wrong. john: back up a second, you say this is new and what you mean is for years we've had genetic modification but done slowly by cross breeding. >> no, the