yeah we're speaking with john harper host of morning air on relevant radio and john and i crossed paths literally several years ago when he was transitioning from t.v. to talk radio and i was going in the opposite direction so john i've got a hit on here for some shop talk if you missed this your whole weeks ago heere is our colleague talkers magazine publisher michael harrison listen. almost every newspaper or magazine television network or television news show in america today to one degree or another tries to determine through research through market studies what does the audience want and then they just serve it up to them so they're not disappointed and this is a an issue that we really do have to think about in terms of media theory and the impact of the media and journalism and talk shows on our society that this has become deeply emotional and therefore people need that daily dose of you're ok if your point is right your side is going to win you're going to you're going to be able to save face at the thanksgiving table with your crazy uncle next november everything's going to be

i should point out that john brown's raid on harpers very freed. not a single slaves. in fact, john brown was far less successful than harriet tubman in freeing slaves. john brown wants to start the war the war doesn't start and further than no slaves take up his offer to you know, rise up against their masters because they realize this probably a suicide mission. so lincoln thinks first of all that people like john brown band in actions like the rate and harper's ferry slaves in the short run, but they're bad for the slaves in the long run too they would cause southerners to basically to to circle the wagons and to resist any idea any arguments that it might be in their own self-interest and slavery. now. this was lincoln's. hope this this was what lincoln held out lincoln believed that slavery would end when southern slaveholders concluded that it was no longer in their interest to maintain slavery now, you might think many people at the time thought. oh boy, you know, this is a long shot but lincoln could point to this states of the north who at one time had allowed

where john brown tries to top fredericton louis to join the raid on harpers ferry. and frederick douglass is, no. basically what he says i'm a writer, not a fighter. but he knew that john brown's rate, his vision was going to fail, because fredericton glass has been a slave. and he knew that slaves were going to weigh their chances on coming out of this life and they would realize, not very good. and so, fredericton glaze was last out there on the subject of abolition. then john brown, but he was farther outer than abraham lincoln. and so, fredericton goes tries to slow john brown down, he tries to speed abraham lincoln up. until during the first part of the war, frederik dog was in his newspaper name the douglas journal, he his berating abraham lincoln from being so slow. this is a war by slavery, we have to declare war in the flavors. we have to do this. and you just think that mike is going so slow until finally, the emancipation proclamation. and then he finally says, okay, lincoln, you finally got right on this. and lincoln brings douglas into the white house. h

the events at harpers ferry, the press and much of the public declared john brown to be truly mad, but. john brown is a man who simply believes the declaration of independence to be true and the bible be a guide to humankind. the future will write john's epitaph on the hearts of a people fried from slavery. like sampson he laid his hands on the pillars of this great temple of cruelty and blood. when he fell, that temple began to crumble to its final doom. >> mr. douglas, a word with you, please. come walk with me, sir. ♪♪ >> i'm a telegraph operator. i have in my pocket a wire that came from the united states marshal and orders me to place you under arrest for conspiracy. they plan to extradite to you virginia to stand trial with john brown. >> but -- >> mr. douglas, i am a friend of your cause. i know that virginia justice will surely see you go to the gallows. i'll hang on to this message until you're safely out of town. >> i have to leave for britain next month. it's been planned for some time. >> mr. douglas, go at once. >> i'll make for canada and sail from there. >> go quickly, m