. >> axelrod: joining me is politico's editor in chief john harris. john, what are the chances the from the can get any traction on any of these agenda items? >> jim, in the government shutdown, president obama proved that he can stop republicans from imposing their agenda on him. he hasn't yet demonstrated that he can impose his agenda on the congress. that's what we're going to see ever next three months, and it really comes down to one relationship-- president obama and john boehner. the big question in my mind is does john boehner now have enough credibility, having anyone along with the tea party caucus and saying, "okay, i'll do what you say in the shutdown. now in the next round he says, look, it's time for to you follow me and do what i want. boehner and obama could cut the deal. whether they could bring their parties along on either side really is the big question. >> axelrod: let's talk about the political fallout for the republicans from the government shutdown going forward. you have the more establishment wing of the party and you have the

let's bring in john harris now, editor in chief of the political web site, john, optimism is a rare commodity in washington tonight, anything that may break the stalemate on the o jorge quiroga son? >> yes, jim, i think there is, if you look at today there was all the usual chaos back and forth, partisan charges, sort of the lines drawn in the sand and yet beneath the surface there is a sense that both sides now see an end game and that end game resides in the senate between two people who don't necessarily like each other a lot but they do understand each other and they do respect each other as negotiators. that is of course, mitch mcconnell and senator harry reid, the majority leader, negotiations are now between the two of them and it looks like that is where the deal is going to germinate, the question is always as to whether house republicans will go along. >> this week some poll numbers suggested historic lows for republicans in terms of favorability. what kind of role are poll numbers and public pressure playing at this point in the process? >> well, they are playing different roles on

. >> editor-in-chief john harris. >> texas state senator wendy davis has finally made it official. she announced she's running for governor in 2014. davis gained instant fame for her nearly 11-hour filibuster against new abortion clinic restrictions in texas but yesterday she focused her campaign on bringing the lone star state together. >> texans do not want to sit back and watch austin turned into washington, d.c. but state leaders that are currently in power are forcing people to opposite corners to prepare for a fight instead of coming together to get things done. i'm asking you to dream of all that we can accomplish together. i'm asking you to believe that the best of texas is yet to come. >> a recent poll shows davis trialing the presumptive republican nominee greg abbott by eight points. what kind of chance does she have, do you think? >> you know, her message was bringing texas together but in order to have viability, i think at least nationally what she's going to do is something like what elizabeth warren did in massachusetts is make herself a symbol for the willingness o

i was there as john boehner walked out for a few moments. and up that harry rood received took questions. john boehner took no questions. we want to continue on the resolution. and he said, and the white house won't do that and democrats won't do that. and he walked off. and then harry reid and most pelosi, it was striking to me. harry reid said we are locked in tight on obama care. nancy pelosi, they want to overturn the affordable care act. that is not going to happen. erin, if we are in this stalemate for the next couple of days where basically, they're not talking to each other, i think we're entering a dangerous phase over the next couple weeks. both sides have drawn lines in the sand. the president saying he won't negotiate when it comes to a temporary standing bill and you have the house, the house republicans saying, we're not going to talk about a resolution unless you talk obama care. you could not have two sides more polar icesed than they are right now. the president will be going to a local construction company to talk about it. you can rest assu

and in attendance will be mitch mcconnell, john boehner, harry reid and nancy pelosi. what can be accomplished if everyone's dug in their heels? >> i will not negotiate over congress's responsibility to pay bills it's already rack up. >> republicans' piecemeal approach is a waste of time. it's a dwim gimmick. it's a ploy. it's politic as usual. >> he will not offer concession to republican in exchange for not tanking the economy. so today's meeting is about the need to open the government. >> all right. so eric, is this upcoming meeting, and it's going to happen in about 29 minute, a photo op or a chance for real progress? >> i'm not sure -- personally here's what i think this is what we do, we speculate. i speculate both side will be dug in, entrenched themselves. we're noting if to sign anything, the democrats aren't going to sign anything that's not a clean resolution. they don't want any amendments, any riders. they just want what they've already passed. if they don't get that, they're going to say no. on the right they're going to keep trying. let's try funding th

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they don't think of john boehner or harry reid. he's the president of the country.s on the sidelines. i'm not blaming him for this at all. he can't be content just to stand by and watch. >> to congressman king's point, the hill and "new york times" reporting today 70% of the intelligence community, civilian employees in the intelligence community have been furloughed. that's got to have national security implications. i was kind of stunned. >> fewer drones. >> well, yeah. >> the drones are never furloughed. >> not to mention the kind of perceptual damage overseas. trusting him on promises. >> debate rolling into the debt ceiling. i don't think it can wait. we pushed it up to the limit the last time. we were downgraded. we actually can't do that. so let's say we have a week in order to work this out before it actually becomes part of that debate. and do those members of the house still demand a concession on obama care which they will never get from this president? >> but here's in an ideal world the way it would work would be the president has said i won't negotiate

they haven't happened between john bain eoehner and harry rei between john boehner and the president. >> i'l'll let se. >> what is your plan? we can't live in this ditch for the rest of our lives. >> we're talking about whether or not we will agree on funding the government for six weeks. government services from food safety to helping veterans to the cia, fbi. what is on the floor right now is whether or not to continue funding for six weeks while we dohat tom's talking about, which is a larger effort to sit down. i agree that we need common sense. what we have right now is a situation, though, where we came together and said, you know, it's only six weeks of funding. so we're going to compromise and agree with the funding level that the republicans want. not a dollar ash more than what they're asking for for six weeks so we can get to the bigger question of the budget, the deficit and so on. but that unfortunately wasn't good enough. what we have is a minority of a minority of the minority in the house which has said no, we want to add to that the repeal of the affordable health ins

they haven't happened between john boehner and harry reid and they haven't happened between the presidentd harry reid. >> as we go forward i would love to get some of your wisdom. you were here before. it seemed like you were wise enough coming out of the last situation to know to try to avoid this. i'll let s.e. >> senator stabinau, same question. what is your answer for the road forward? we can't live in this ditch the rest of the year and our lives. >> no question. let's say what we're really talking about. we're talking about whether or not we will agree on funding the government for six weeks. government services from food safety to helping veterans to the cia, fbi, what is on the floor right now is whether or not to continue funding for six weeks while we do what tom's talking about which is a larger effort to sit down. i agree that we need common sense. what we have right now is a situation, though, where we came together and said you know it's only six weeks of funding. so we're going to compromise and agree with the funding level that the republicans want. not a dollar more than

the most fascinating and least-told parts of this story, is that the relationship between john boehner and harry reid and also, importantly, between john boehner's staff and harry reid's staff, is at an absolute low. they despise each other, personally. they don't trust each other. you know, they were sniping at each other in the press recently. so they're not working together. you know, they're talking to other people to let each other know what they're going to do. now, if the house passes a clean, six-week bill through their chamber, i don't think the senate can allow the government to default, because they're angry at the house. but, you know, harry reid had a pretty funny remark today. he said, look, he basically said, look, i'm going to wait until the house produces something. he said, when i woke up, they had three different plans. i've been at the white house for two hours and on the way back, they might have come up with a few more. >> and here's the -- if a debt ceiling passes in the house and gets passed in the senate, you take that off the board. here's harry reid talking about any c

the speaker of the house, john boehner as harry reid said, is basically a nice guy but he's not leading. he's being led and not by the house majority but by a very vocal minority within his house majori majority. luke can correct me on this. between 35 and 50 very vocal tea party types, most of whom came in in the 2010 midterm elections, who then have a wider group of republican majority living in fear of them or the people who back them and so, speaker boehner is left with trying to hang on to his gavel as tightly as he can against a group of people who have shown time and time again they are willing to defy him no matter what he wants. >> jonathan, "time's piece hits the nail on the head. of speaker boehner's 231 allies, 205 of them are no more likely to see a serious democratic challenge than they are to see paychecks disappear in the government shutdown. isn't this the root of the problem, any sort of compromise is seen as preemptive surrender and essentially political suicide for them? >> right. there was a member of congress i believe it was congressman thomas massey, who said in

we have john boehner and harry reid working together to try to preserve a subsidy for staff members. or they are more cymer all -- more similar than different is republicans and democrats have gone along with the idea certain groups should receive exemptions and they should receive subsidies whereas others do not. if you want to make it fair, everyone is going to be subjected to it the same way. if we are not going to have it you release everyone in the same way. we don't have that argument right now. it goes back to the issue of the debt ceiling. the fight is going to be over where the spending cuts are going to happen, but neither side is going to talk about the fact that under the 14th amendment the u.s. government must service the debt first. it must service outstanding debt. after that, everything else, including entitlement programs, come later. 200 lien dollars is what the u.s. brings in tax revenue -- $200 billion is what the u.s. brings in tax revenue. everything comes next. that's what the battle is over. both sides are going to say the full faith and credit are hanging in

and in attendance will be mitch mcconnell, john boehner, harry reid and nancy pelosi.n be accomplished if everyone's dug in their heels? >> i will not negotiate over congress's responsibility to pay bills it's already rack up. >> republicans' piecemeal approach is a waste of time. it's a dwim gimmick. it's a ploy. it's politic as usual. >> he will not offer

are continuing to follow right now and house speaker, john boehner, spoke just moments earlier before house minority leader, nancy pelosi and harry reid. let's listen to what house speaker, john boehner had to say. >> still waiting for the video from house speaker john boehner. again, he did speak moments earlier before harry reid and nancy pelosi. let's listen in. >> in times like this, the american people expect their leaders to come together and try to find ways to resolve their differences. the president reiterated one more time tonight that he will not negotiate. we have divided government. democrats control the white house and the senate. republicans control the house. we sent four different proposals to the colleagues in the senate. they rejected all of them. we asked for a conference. to sit down and try to resolve our differences, they will not negotiate. we had a nice conversation, polite conversation, but at some point, we have to allow the process that our founders gave us to work out. we have appointed the house side to sit down and work with our senate colleagues. it's time for them to appoint. all we are asking for

for everybody who's blaming john boehner, isn't harry reid at least as guilty as holding things hostage? >> we, newt, good to be with yous a good to be with you, stephanie, and all that you have done. my best wishes are to the police officers who were injured, and certainly to our brave men and women and to the tragedy and the extraening did i that developed around this particular person. we wish the family well. obviously people are frustrated here in america, not knowing the facts of this issue, i am likewise on the homeland security commit aye. but let me say this. hostage taking is a two-way street. i would not say that majority leader harry reid is doing anything other than what he says he's going to do. that is, along with the democratic caucus and the house, we want to open the government, plain and simple. we were there together. you were my speaker, and i had to respect your leadership, and we did. and when the house went into -- or the government went into a shutdown, it is well known that you and president clinton were talking about the budget. this did not start out about th

those leaders, john boehner, harry reid and the house minority leader nancy pelosi. a white house adviser says the president will urge republicans to pass a bill that would fund without making changes to his signature health care law but speaker boehner has portrayed this meeting as a sign the president is willing to negotiate a bit on the gop demand. meantime, house republicans have been trying to pass a series of measures that would restore funding to specific areas of the federal government, like the parks service and the department of veterans affairs. but so far, democrats have blocked those efforts, arguing that it's unfair to pick winners and losers during this showdown. the white house has also said the president would veto those measures. as patience wears thin across the nation, the list of problems from the shutdown just keeps growing. the white house says president obama may need to shorten a long planned trip to asia. and officials in idaho say that the shutdown has scaled back the search for a woman in her 60s who has gone missing at a national monument

. >> perhaps, you know what, john boehner, harry reid, mr. obama, that's for you, my friend, thank you so much. >> a lot of us veterans, if this lasted more than two weeks, aren't going to get benefits because civilians are sitting at capitol hill making decisions for us. is that fair? anybody else? >> it's not fair. >> thank you. >> george washington, a lot of founding fathers argued against having a two party system. they said it was destructive for a government and look where we're at right now. >> they have a lot on their minds, great feedback from george mason university. earlier this week, we told you the burger was giving away free burgers to furloughed workers and they stopped doing it because a lot of -- between the three locations, they gave away more than 15,000 burgers in three days. that is about $88,000 of food for free. all right, coming up at 6:00, we're putting a face on the shutdown. we talked to a federal worker about how all of this is taking a toll and this is the first weekend of the shutdown. so we'll look at what's ope

harris: john roberts, thank you very much.on: so the president's new health care law is getting off to a rocky start. brand new fox polls on what americans think of this rollout. 60% of voters say the way the law is being carried out is a joke, that's up just a touch from the 57% who felt that way back in august. likewise, 31% say things are going fine, and that number is unchanged from this summer. a 55% majority of those who did attempt to log on to the government's health insurance web are -- web site are saying it did not go well including 37% who say not at all well. others had a better experience, 19% say it worked very well, another 25% say it worked somewhat well. let's talk about it with angela mcglowan, a fox news political analyst. so we have this hearing underway right now in the house. >> yes. jon you say it's not big enough. >> no, it isn'tings, and this is a -- it isn't, and this is a great forum to actually answer the questions the american people have. the bottom line is this, yes, the site is bad, it is a fai

. >> piers, the other thing that happen ed is john boehner went o harry reid and said i can get you an extension at the republican budget number which is where we are today, so that we can negotiate a deal and then the speaker went back to the republican conference and said no to him. we find ourselves in the world where the next step became, wait a minute, instead of passing a clean c.r. we need a repeal of obama care and if you want to raise the debt ceiling we need the excel pipeline passed and epa regulations, so two weeks ago had that failure had john boehner's promise to harry reid been fulfilled, we never would have gotten to the shutdown, which is why we're trying to do right now and what the president is trying to do is find a way for everybody to back down from the treaty the speaker climbed up on and get back to a point where we restart the government, we take the debt ceiling off the table and have the six, seven, eight, ten-week negotiation to deal with the long-term stability of this country. >> james lang ford, you'll be with the president tomorrow with the republican de

president obama invited john boehner, nancy pelosi, harry reid and mitch mcconnell to the white house this afternoon at 2:30 our time. he's expected to urge republicans to pass a bill to fund the government that does not contain provisions defunding his healthcare plan. house speaker john boehner's office said "we're pleased the president finally recognizes that his refusal to negotiate is indefirefightersible" -- indefensible." barbara bockers said boehner should allow an or down vote on a clean bill, not provisions with defunding the healthcare bill. >> he has no parliament -- he has no parliamentary impediments. he could do it five minutes. will he do it? you have to ask him. >>> fleet week will be missing a few major attractions next week but some san francisco merchants hope to fill the gap with fireworks. the annual celebration begins next week but you will not see the blue angels or the parade of ships. they were both canceled by federal budget cuts earlier this year. instead the merchants decided to expand a 35th anniversary celebration for the wharf into four saturdays of fir

we should emphasize, as harry reid did not, john, this was not a downgrade. credit watch. very different from a downgrade. why do you think, if harry reid had this advanced information from fitch, john, why did he mischaracterize it as a downgrade? >> well, it just fits the pattern of politicizing the ratings process, david. we've seen this, standard & poor's, the main reason for the downgrade which came after the debt ceiling passed in 2011 was the high level of spending and debt, same with the smaller firm called eagan jones. both firms later found themselves being investigated. standard & poor's was the only firm that was prosecuted for the overestimating subprime securities even though moody's and fitch did the same. so there has been a message sent, if you don't toe the line, so maybe, fitch thought a later downgrade was necessary, like s&p did because of our unsustainable level of spending it better gets its ducks in a row now. david: this is very serious charge, john. what you are saying that fitch timed its announcement to benefit the administration.

republicans john boehner and mitch mcconnell, democrats harry reid, nancy pelosi, they've all acceptedn. senator reid also says he spoke to the speaker, john boehner on the phone, sent him a litter about republican tactics in this showdown standoff. let's not forget though, day two of the shutdown means the economy of the united states has taken an estimated $400 million hit hit already. that's the cost in lost wages for all the furloughed federal workers and a lot of other related economic losses. that doesn't take into account lost productivity, lost investment. a billion dollar week manmade disaster. this is not a natural disaster like a hurricane. this is a manmade disaster could cost the u.s. economy a billion dollars a week at a minimum if it goes on. joining us now is the florida republican congressman mario diaz-balart. thanks very much for coming in, congress man. >> my pleasure, wolf. what do you think? do you think the meeting the president scheduled with the speaker, the minority leader in the senate, is there a possibility that have they get into i an room and they just ta

members of congress on both sides of the aisle we have an article about as a binns one dot com john boehner and harry reid working together to try to preserve a subsidy for congressional staff members and so where there are more similar than different is that both republicans and democrats have gone along with the idea that certain groups should receive exemptions and they should receive subsidies whereas other segments of the population do not if you want to make it fairer than say if the law should be instituted fairly everyone is going to be subjected to it the same way if we're not going to have it then you release everyone from it the same way but we don't have that argument right now it goes back to the same issue with the debt ceiling when we're talking about that issue the fights going to be over where the spending cuts need to happen but what neither side is going to talk about is the fact that under the fourteenth amendment the u.s. government must service the debt first it must service outstanding debt after that everything else including entitlement programs come later and so when you gav

john mccain seems to me harry reid was holding him up in the middle of your filibuster and asking you if you would give 15 minutes the to john mccain because john mccain wanted to excoriate you on behalf of harry reid. how do you reck siel that? >> john mccain is someone whom i like and respect. he's a man of ocourage and patriotism. >> do you like his treatment of you calling you whack tlo bird and lashing out at you? >> the old saying is politics ain't bean bags. neither mike nor i have a thin skin. it doesn't mat. politicians bickering. whatever others say i don't are reciprocate. i haven't and i won't. there are people all over fighting who were picking up a letter from the insurance company and discovering that the insurance to provide vital health care is being taken away. i heard a story today about a family of missionaries who home school their kids and got a letter saying their insurance was cut because of obama care. they are praying and talking about giving up the mission field and going to get jobs to provide health care for their kids. that's happening. >> looking forward

john boehner talks to harry reid, the democratic leader in the senate and says ok, we'll have a clean debt limit increase what the president wants, and then we'll have an agreement when we do that, have a binding agreement to enter into some negotiations in which we'll discuss entitlements, tax reform, a whole bunch of things to get some savings out of the budgets. they will say those two things aren't linked but they will be linked. that way everybody is clean and serve dirty is -- as one expressed it. gwen: dan, why to this point have there not been negotiations? the republicans have a point, the president is reifersing to negotiate. >> the president's position has been hard and firm, that this is a shutdown entirely of the making of a faction of the republican conference, the most conservative part of the republican conference in the house, which has, in their estimation forced john boehner to take the path, to try a serious of paths to do something to the president's health care reform and they've taken a firm line that they're simply not going to talk under those circumstances. s

they leave nothing to chance, that's what harry reid has done his entire career. >> john, i want to askreid. he's sort of, i think, a mysterious figure in a little way watching him on television. there is apparently, i think this is from this town as well, he has this habit where he'll hang up the phone s that true? you're on the phone and he just hangs up, he never says good-bye. >> never says good-bye. he actually even does it to the president of the united states as well. it is one of the quirks of -- >> ever asked him why he does that? >> he said he just -- after he's done, he just basically hangs up the phone. he assumes the other person wants to do the same as well, to get on to the next call. so just one of the little quirks about him that i love. i got to tell you. let me go back to what you said about whether this is senator reid freed up. you see these gray hairs on my head? a lot of them came because of senator reid. he has a refreshing habit of speaking what is on his mind, which is -- can be a very dangerous thing for a politician. i worked for ted kennedy for 12 years. say

we know both of these guys, john boehner, harry reid would rather jump into a pool of live hair dryersroom with each other right now. so i think the key is, october 17th. i don't know how charles feels about this i don't think they will break the debt ceiling. moody's is saying they do, possible there won't be immediate downgrade. tracy: charles? >> i think everything emac and nicole said. there is not a sense of your again system you don't have to buy today. we're creating an amazing buying opportunity. psychologically under 15,000 for the dow you could see vulnerability for couple hundred points to the downside. i want to buy when -- tracy: october 16th. >> 3:30. at 3:49 or whatever. >> charles will be in there. we won't be sieving charles on camera. he will be buying. tracy: see you on the 16th. ashley: charles, emac, nicole, the power panel, taking it down to the wire. thank you, guys. tracy: we'll make sure we have drinks on the 16th. i will. will the effect of the government shutdown felt in the halls of congress all the way to the pits of chicago. the usda pulled the plug on key

> earlier in the day the president phoned top leaders mitch mcconnell, nancy pelosi and harry reid as well as john boehner. the call with boehner lasted about ten minutes and ultimately not very productive. >> i didn't come here to shut down the government. how about we give a break to all the big businesses out there and yet still our constituents with a bill that they don't want and a bill they can't afford. that's what this fight is all about. i talked to the president earlier tonight. i'm not going to negotiate. i'm not going to negotiate. we're not going to do this. well, i would say to the president, this is not about me and it's not about republicans here in congress. it's about fairness for the american people. >> a lot of people don't know what this is when but that's just the consensus on the floor here. president obama said himself that he was unwilling to move. >> steve, when you say what can i offer, i shouldn't have to offer anything. they're not doing me a favor by paying for things that they have already approved for the government to do. that's part of their basic function of gove