>> the more lodging go conclusion is there. >> the john heckle have something to hide? ber much about those days. >> i don't rip collect doing anything like that. >> the defense suggested that kathy heckle may not have died on july 15th, 1991. did you really think she lived that day? >> i certainly have a reasonable doubt as to whether she died. >> to support that theory, the defense introduced statements that john heckle made more than 20 years ago. in one, heckle said -- siphon thousands of dollars from the joint bank account. in another, he asked investigators about a woman pictured in a swingers magazine might be as wife. >> is there any credible argument that kathy heckle scrolled away money, vanished, ran out on her husband, and her family, and then posed for pictures that were put in a swingers magazine, that anybody could've seen? >> i certainly don't think it's been disproven that that could've occurred. >> on the stand, john heckle said those decade old statements had been the frantic musings of a desperate man. >> i was grasping anything that i could think of