he is referring to the quote but came out on what he reed said in private about john heilemann, why don't you take that? >> guest: first in the authors node we refer to the notion we conducted our interview on deep background and then we say in a shorthand way what that meant which was basically as a word rights in the peace. the authors's note isn't complete in the sense it does not have a thorough description of all of the conversations we have with our sources which we had with every source we talk to. they would talk in great detail about how the interview we were about to conduct would be used and would go through a speech. there was no actual scrap there might have been where we would lead them through is a this is of the interview was going to go. this is how we can work and what isn't going to work. i can say that there is no case in which the way that we explain what we are going to do in the and we didn't live up to that agreement with any source in the

smack john heilemann? >> you know, the role of the me and presidential is huge, i mean, one of the things that's most interesting and reporting on this campaign is the fact that all of the campaigns feel as though the media was biased against them. they all feel as though that as the caller says they look at the power, expect even president obama's campaign felt that we? >> president obama's campaign, whenever they were confronted with him and i think mark and i would agree that president obama got very favorable coverage in the course of the campaign, it's just not disputable. but based on the questions of something like reverend wright, that they were subjected to, and in many cases they do those things, that things are there is, the rezko relationship, things that were not germane. like every presidential campaign they were felt to me was focus on triviality and things that were non-stories rather than focusing on what the candidate wanted to say about health care policy or economic policy. i think it i

. >> john heilemann? >> you know, the role of the media in presidential elections is obviously huge. i mean, i think one of the things that's most interesting in reporting on this campaign is the fact -- is the fact that all the campaigns feel as though the media was biased against them. they all feel as though that as the caller says they look at the power of the media and they feel the media plays this outsized role in some way it's unfair to them. >> even president obama's campaign felt that way? >> president obama's campaign -- whenever it was confronted with -- i mean, i think mark and i would agree that president obama got very favorable coverage in the course of the campaign. it's not disputable. they felt on the questions of things like reverend wright like they were subbed as tough as media scrutiny as any president in history. things like the rezko relationship, things like that. that those were not germane. they were constantly, you know, felt that the media was focused on trivialities and thin

they should earlier and locked up the hillary voters. >> host: john heilemann?>> guest: the caller is right about what the clintons believe to the letter what we've report in the book is that hillary had been worried about this possibility for a while. she had been concerned that the caucuses were too loose and there was a chance that because obama was the home state senator from illinois that this could happen. we report in the book how on the night of the iowa caucuses when hillary is coming in third she and the former president clinton are in the hotel suite and extremely as angry as the eighth scene. there are told by their closest allies they would either finish first or close second and she finesses are offered and they are upset and the former president clinton starts going on about the fact of these people come to madrid 39,000 people had shown up and no one expected the was double the amount that iowa caucus in 2004. he was incomprehensible that many people could show up the caucasus and he seized on the notion this cheating had occurred and the buses h

-- john heilemann, why don't you take that? in our author's note,ç we mentioned that we conducted the interview on deep background, basically what howie writes in the peace. it is not complete, the description of all the conversations we had with our sources to talk any great detail about how the interview we did conduct would be used in -- we talked in great detail about how the interview that he would conduct would be used in the book. i can say that there is no case in which the way that we explained we are going to that in the and we did not live up to that agreement with any source we talked to in the book. it is important that people understand that a deep background, as many people have written, is not a concept that is etched in stone. every journalist has rules of the road. host: you don't think that concrete come on-the-record -- guest: with new ones, you can describe different things. we did not violate the agreement with anybody that we made for the book. unlike a lot of exchanges and washington and journalism gene

tremendous accomplishment for the city. >> also on the set, john heilemann, pat buchanan in washingtono it? >> it wasn't one thing. it's a lot of things coming together. we have a genius police director and cops putting their hearts and souls into the streets every day. on the other side you have a community stepping up in ways that are inspiring from people doing ex-offender re-entry programs to block watches. a guy got a stimulus check and started mowing the lawn in a drug neighborhood where guys were hanging out and able to dispersion drug dealers. so many individual heroism and police officers that care, investing in technology, new strategies, it's really working. >> new strategies, new ideas, thinking outside the box, everything starting at the grassroots efforts, literally, cutting the grass, but it has to be gal vanized, because for years you'd say the word newark with the tone of the worst. how did you get people to work together in a place with no hope? >> we came into office and said -- i was told by many crimeologists, stop raising expectations. i said we're going to be. th