joining us, neal katyal and also with us, john heilemann. with what's going on here legally. the companies get a request to preserve information that we know they preserve anyway. what is going on here legally? >> well, i think what's going on here, you know, i think i have one question for kevin mccarthy, which is why are you so scared, congressman? because nobody thinks kevin mccarthy is right legally. it's preposterous. he can try and make these statements and fight it in court but he's going to lose. it's true the law recognizes attorney/client privilege but it doesn't recognize a legislator conspirator privilege. and this is a really silly but dangerous threat. kevin mccarthy can't tell you what law is being violated and he can't cite to one yet he's threatening retaliation against these phone companies. that's a mob boss tactics, to threaten someone who complies with a subpoena. it just shows this party has lost any pretense of being the law and order party. this is an anti-law party, an anti-democracy party at this point. >> john heil

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john heilemann, i want to start with you.w i think -- we have been covering this texas voting restriction law for a long time, and in recent days we have been covering the texas near-total ban on abortion, any abortion after six weeks. i guess what is new is that nothing is going to slow these malevolent but very effective and efficient efforts down if something dramatic doesn't change in washington. i wonder what you make of the chances of anything dramatic changing in washington? >> well, first of all, hi, nicolle. happy monday -- tuesday. >> tuesday. >> i keep getting the days wrong. last week i said it was friday. >> it happens. >> when it was, in fact, thursday. now today i'm saying it is monday when it is in fact tuesday. my whole calendar thing is messed up. i don't know why you come to me first. i don't think it is new. i don't think the thing you just said is new. i think the reason you and i and others who have been on this at least since january 6th and i would say some of us before that, have thought we were in th

do it now. >> joining us now, john heilemann, and also adam jentleson.he title of your book, please. >> "kill switch". >> the single most important book written about the senate in the trump era. john, the mutiny of the first term senator joined by the senator elected from trump country. the manchin phenomenon is easily understood looking at the voting profile of west virginia. but what they're dealing with in senator sinema, it's something that democrats and a democratic president has never had to deal with in a democratic senator. >> yeah, i'd say first of all that adam's book is the most important book ever written about the senate. number two, i'm not sure it's just that a democratic president has had to deal with. i'm not sure either one of us have seen anything quite like kyrsten sinema, in terms of what is on the surface at least is total irrationality. and i heard your opening today. i can tell you, the view that you expressed is one that is shared privately by many senior people in the white house. they feel like kyrsten sinema, senator sinema a

or at least that was the perception of many john heilemann senior, a special national security officials, in the trump administration, in the military. in the non politically aligned bureaucracy. that was. understood and i think a lot of people felt unnerved by what was going on at the time, trump's behavior was unnerving. it was objectively unnerving. and i think when nancy pelosi -- i think he saw her more as the speaker of the house of representative ohn eilemann. then as donald trump ohn eilemann's an emmy or i think he was related to her on that, level so we all now come to realize that there was a greater agreement than the apparel at the time. then any one of us understood at the. time but i will say this is not a precedent scenario, and i think we would cost a note in those, that we all remember, at least from the history books if not living through it that back in the nixon administration, when richard nixon was publicly unhinged, or these privately unhinge, and could be seem to be unhinged by people around, him start talking to the paintings of the white house walls, drinking e

. >> and joining our discussion now, congressional historian john heilemann, national affairs analyst and producer and host of the -- and zerlina maxwell host of the program zerlina, on peacock. zerlina let me begin with you and your reaction to this first flurry of subpoenas, this committee working quickly and according to what we just heard from adam schiff, they have learned the lessons of the kinds of procedural delays that these investigations can face. >> i certainly hope he is right, lawrence, because as you mentioned it was several years before we actually had trump officials able to testify and to give us pertinent information. in this case, it's becoming increasingly clear that january 6th was not isolated, it wasn't some random event that just happened to happened that day, when mike pence, the vice president was certifying the election. it was the culmination of several moving pieces. and as i sit here i am thinking, they had more steps in their plan to steal the election and a coup than they did for covid. it seems like now we have a memo with six points in it, rudy giuli

. >> and joining our discussion now, norm ornstein, congressional scholar and john heilemann, nbc news and msnbc national affairs analyst, executive producer of "the circus" and "hell and high water" podcast. and zerlina maxwell, host of the program zerlina. they have learned the lessons the kind of procedures delays these investigations can face. >> i certainly hope he is right, lawrence, because as you mentioned, it was several years before we actually had trump officials able to testify and to give us pertinent information. and in this case, it's becoming increasingly clear that january 6 was not isolated. it wasn't some random event that just happened to happen that day when mike pence, the vice president was certifying the election. it was the culmination of several moing pieces. and as i sit here, i'm thinking they had more steps in their plan to attempt to steal the election and to coup than they did for covid. it seems like now we have a memo with six points in it rudy giuliani was running around state legislatures and courts all over the country, lying in court filings about e

. >> john heilemann, you are in los angeles tonight.sunday night's episode of "the circus" on show time will be all about the recall. >> i wouldn't say necessarily say all about the recall, lawrence, but we will have a decent chunk about it. i was out there with joe biden and gavin newsom and eric garcetti and jamie harrison, a bunch of other -- the whole democratic state, local and to some extent national leadership in long beach last night. as you know, it is my home state, los angeles my home city so i'm happy to be out here. we are using the recall to get at larger themes, talking about a lot of the backlash against the biden administration's vaccine mandate and the fact that larry elder doing what he is doing, bringing the big lie to california, creating a slightly less big lie, but putting us all on notice this is now s.o.p. for the gop. we will be seeing it in 2022, 2024 and beyond if republicans are losing they're going to claim fraud and it is another one of the unfortunate legacies of donald trump, and we will see it, i'm afra

the dodgers, though, john heilemann, you're out on the west coast, the dodgers clinched a position inst night. >> super strong team out here, joe, i know a lot of things people are happy about in california, many of them very happy that they didn't recall their governor yesterday, and a lot of them even happier that again, the dodgers having an incredibly strong. as you know, the san francisco giants, arch rivals of the giants are incredibly strong this season as well. >> no doubt about it, and willie and mike, first willie, then mike really quickly. oh, my god, you look at the wild card chase in the american league, and now you have the yankees who don't deserve to be there, the red sox who don't deserve to be there, and toronto blue jays who are going to win it all. i don't like the momentum right now, but again, both teams, willie, both teams have had some ups and downs, the yankees and the red sox but they've got both fighters on both teams, but my gosh, just as claire said for the cardinals, what a frustrating season to be a yankees or a red sox fan. >> it's been a season of stre

patel, john heilemann, thank you so much for being part of this conversation. i'm grateful to all three of you. no evidence to back up the former president's claim of voter fraud, none, zilch, nothing. bill barr couldn't find it. chris krebs couldn't find it. republicans under pressure from the twice impeached disgraced ex-president and his friends a forensic investigation. funded by taxpayers there. the state's attorney general is our next guest. 20 years after 9/11, the nature of terrorism and a country coming together look a whole lot different today. how life has changed for all of us. in the next hour the congressional inquiry into the insurrection on january 6th at the u.s. capitol is powering along despite attempts from the gop house leader to put a stop to it. all those stories and more when "deadline white house" continues after a quick break. white houses after a quick break. we did it again. verizon has been named america's most reliable network by rootmetrics. and our customers rated us #1 for network quality in america according to j.d. power. numb

maynard, has claimed sort of strains credulity. >> john heilemann, we talked about this.boss called out domestic terrorism and donald trump answered the call, responded. didn't say anything about donald trump. but i don't know. donald trump, i don't know if he sees himself as a domestic terrorist. he reacted. i wonder what we would do when the leader of the republican party only getting more virulent as the cancer, i'll call it the retiring republican congressman calls donald trump a cancer, only growing in sort of size and strength. when you can change the perception of -- as carol leonnig just said, incontrovertible acts, things we saw with our own eyes and i remember donald trump saying early in the presidency, don't believe what you see, don't believe what you hear, believe me. he said it in early 2017. is this just the culmination of that command? >> yeah. yes, culmination and happy friday, nicolle. >> hi. >> it is the culmination of a whole career. i mean donald trump was -- has been a pathological but also machiavellian liar for his entire career before he became p

john heilemann is still here. amy, i want to show you this.mp is cory do you know do youski, trump is lun dueski. >> wouldn't you start screaming? did you see any change in her face. the best thing is say i can't destroy a man. he's got a beautiful wife and children. i am not going to destroy a man for that. >> that was donald trump defending cory lewandowski against an allegation that he grabbed a reporter's arm. what is interesting to me is a former trump adviser told me yesterday that trump and his family are feeling the squeeze from all these lawsuits. i thought this firing this severing of ties from lun do you kyi, and it remains to be seen whether said ties are actually severed speaks to the financial desperation. we talk about his power, but maybe not about his political or his financial desperation and the idea that he would cut someone closer to him politically than anyone else, closer than banno who was in and out. lewandowski is the guy who got the trump campaign off the ground. cuts him out because a donor said she wanted her money

and john heilemann, co-host and executive producer of "the circus" on shoi time, executive editor at the recount and in his spare time host of the podcast hell and high water. good evening, and welcome to you all. peter i'd like to begin with you with the help of these two authors and this interim until the release of the book, general milley has walked right into this trap when a huge distraction was needed by the other side. is it not true that since the days of the cold war, people with the rank of a general milley have talked to their counterparts overseas by way of trying to keep the world a safer place and have maintained that dialogue for years and years? >> yeah, that's exactly right, brian. you and i have been around long enough to know that this is not unusual in the sense that a chairman of the joint chiefs regularly speaks to counterparts in china, in russia, in other parts of the world in order to prevent misunderstandings, in order to prevent accidental war. in other words to say, look, here's what we're doing. here's what you ought not to worry about with us. right aft

john heilemann and donnie deutsch, thank you both, as well. >> i promise. time to celebrate. >> this has been a good session for me. >> stop it. >> i mean, in the long run -- >> stop it. heilemann, no. >>> former secretary of state john kerry is standing by. he joins the table next on "morning joe." [sfx: radio being tuned] welcome to allstate. ♪ [band plays] ♪ a place where everyone lives life well-protected. ♪♪ and even when things go a bit wrong, we've got your back. here, things work the way you wish they would. and better protection costs a whole lot less. you're in good hands with allstate. click or call for a lower auto rate today. before you go there, or there... start here. walgreens makes it easy to stay protected wherever you go. schedule your free flu shot and covid-19 vaccine today. ♪ ♪ i give families a home, not just a place to stay. i am a vrbo host. ♪ ♪ trelegy for copd. ♪ birds flyin' high you know how i feel ♪ ♪ breeze drifting on by you know how i feel ♪ [man: coughing] ♪ it's a new dawn, it's a new day... ♪ no matter how y

and executive producer of showtime 's the circus and h the high water podcast and the recount john heilemanncitizens to fly out of the country today. nbc news confirms reporting from the "wall street journal" that the group will be flown to qatar before relocating elsewhere. this will mark the first departure of u.s. citizens since the military mission in afghanistan officially ended on august 31st. it's unclear if these americans are among those who were stranded on chartered flights out of afghanistan's airport earlier this week. joe, again, a little bit more work on the biden administration on the part of working to get people out of afghanistan beyond the deadline. i think it's important to note no matter what you think about the decision to leave that the president was warning people for quite some time. i believe since last april. >> yes, since april. and it was warning after another warning, there was a story about a guy who was a contractor, kept being warned, delayed, and just his family tried to get him out of there. he said, i'll just stay here. i'm fine and a sort of fix-it guy.