i mean, the conspiracy here, john heilemann, is so widespread.nd the thought that a chief of staff would pass along an alternate slate of electors that a member didn't know about is beyond preposterous. >> well, joe, it's worse than that. so, i've watched all of the video of senator johnson trying to respond to the questions. under his -- once he moved past the fake phone call. >> oh, my god. >> and he was asked -- >> no, you're not. i can see the phone. you're not on the phone. >> that's painful. >> you don't even have to see the screen to know it's a fake phone call. so his explanation for this is, this is what happened. a house intern who is unnamed passed along a slate of fake electors to his chief of staff, his -- senator johnson's chief of staff, also unnamed, who then suggested that senator johnson should carry that slate of fake electors and put the slate of fake electors in vice president pence's hands on the day of the certification. that very day. and then he says -- you know, we sent an email or text asking the vice president's office

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good to have you. >> john heilemann, what do we expect from the hearings?of people, read their columns, and we're going to look at ed's column in one second. but a lot of people are saying, this is going to be a bust. once again, you're going to have a incapable of accomplishing their most basic tasks. what do you think? >> good morning, guys. i think it is an overly cynical view. look, i had the same view whenever there have been these big hearings, also in trump's impeachment hearings, the same thing, which is i think we owe it to these things to go in with an open mind. open mind not just about the evidence but how well the committee will do at presenting that evidence. this committee, i think, heard people say over the course of the past months and took seriously what people said, "look, you have to be something different than what the other folks did, including the past impeachment hearings, to break through." they've hired some tv producers. they tried to make more of -- they tried to understand the nature of the task at hand, the story telling. mike

this is the core of the function and deeply dangerous to our system. >> and john heilemann, it's like tease, obviously, of things to come. by the way, the one thing i remember yesterday morning when i was talking about this hearing, i said the january 6 committee, they played everything right. they've done an exceptionally good job of rolling out all of this evidence presenting it in a way that the american people follow easily. but i think they're also playing their hand here. an emergency -- an emergency witness. an emergency hearing. of course, they didn't overplay their hand at all. and then at the end, we find out about this witness tampering. and there's that statement from chairman bennie thompson saying, you still have time. >> got a chance. >> you still have -- >> still a chance. >> you know what, i just want you to know, i just want you to know, before you start getting ready to get your criminal defense attorneys and going to jail, i just want you to know, our door is still open. if you lied, if you need, as they say in the business, some time to refresh your recollection a

thank you so much, jonathan. >> thanks. >>> so john heilemann -- >> it was great having you here. your attention to a survey that gallop took that shows confidence in the supreme court is lower now than it has ever been. according to the latest gallop poll, one in four americans have a great deal or quite a lot of confidence in the nation's highest bench. that's the lowest it's been in the 50-year history of the survey. the previous low was in 2014. and, john, look at the data, you have the supreme court majority that on a lot of the hot button issues that americans pay attention to and look to the court to, that's wildly out of step where mainstream america as you look at row and you look at the majority, and you look at how the majority came about, and it's no wonder confidence in the supreme court plummeting, not just because of the outcomes of the cases but, again, something chief justice roberts has been worried about for some time, but because the court is disconnected from where americans are. >> i think that's right. that's part of it. another part of it is not just about

john heilemann, thank you very much. >> thanks, guys. >>> one more moment from the hearing to show youthe battle the officers waged against the january 6th rioters and her attempts to hold the line alongside officer brian sicknick. >> we were just as the best we could, we were just, you know, grappling over bike racks and trying to hold them as quick as possible. all of a sudden, i see movement to the left of me. and i turned, and it was officer sicknick with his head in his hands. he was ghostly pale. which i figured at that point that he had been sprayed, and i was concerned. my, you know, cop alarm bells went off because if you get sprayed with pepper spray, you're going to turn red. he turned just about as pale as this sheet of paper. and so i looked back to see what had hit him, what had happened, and that's when i got sprayed in the eyes, as well. >> officer brian sicknick collapsed the evening of the attack and was transported to a local hospital. he died nearly 24 hours later, after suffering two strokes. officer sicknick's long-time partner, sandra garza, sat behind officer ed

john heilemann, this has been much anticipated.ppened on january 6th. do you think that's possible? >> i don't know the answer to that question, but if it doesn't change some minds, then it will have failed. because given the way the country has dug in, in its partisan bunkers, you know, a lot of minds are made up about this jonathan. like al of republicans are election deniers. they think that 1/6 rite was not an insurrection. in many cases, they think it was a peaceful demonstration. i think it was all justified, because the election was stolen by democrats and donald trump was wrong. if this thing doesn't change sop minds or at least bring some people who are undecided over on to the side of what seems obvious to most of us, which is that this was a very dangerous thing that happened, that democracy was at stake and under threat, and that donald trump and his henchmen were involved, deeply involved in planning, coordinating, and executing it, it will be a waste of time. they recognize on this committee that this is a moment for

with us onset, john heilemann, host and executive producer of showtime's the circus.o an nbc analysis affairs analyst. i know your work for the committee wasn't something you talked about, so we missed your voice in these conversations but i wonder if you can start with today's hearing and then if we could talk about what's been presented so far in your view. what stood out to you? for me, i will never forget this testimony and the lives that are destroyed by donald trump to this day from these lies. >> you know, first of all, nicole, it has been a while. it's good to be back. and as far as the witnesses stay, i would think that rusty and shaye were two of the strongest witnesses we've seen. i have looked at a lot of this. it's good john is on the panel. i just talked to him about some of this. but it seemed like there were multiple levels of intimidation and bullying that were happening at all times. if you look at military speak, nicole, it's kinetic and nonkinetic, nonkinetic, being physical threats and intimidation and then nonkinetic, using social media to attack

i'm john heilemann in for nicolle wallace.mmitment that the united states received from ukraine, which a senior administration official says enabled the u.s. to provide ukrainians with the most advanced weapons it has done to date. rocket systems, that will enable them to strike key targets on the battlefield. president biden announced his decision to do so in an op-ed in the "new york times." he stated america's continued and robust support for ukraine while also reiterating its desire to not provoke a wider war with russia. america's goal is straightforward, we want to see a democratic independent, sovereign, and prosperous ukraine with the means to deter and defend itself against further aggression. biden continued, quote, we do not seek a war between nato and russia. as much as i disagree with mr. putin and find his actions an outrage, the united states will not try to bring about his ouster in moscow so long as the united states or our allies are not attacked, we will not be directly engaged in this conflict, either by se

i'm john heilemann in for nicolle wallace of the last hour of this week. of the gun violence epidemic in this country. president joe biden spoke the world felt by so many of those still reeling from the recent spate of mass shootings. enough of the violence, enough of the killings of innocents, enough of the families stricken with grief over lost loved ones, but tragically as "the new york times" reports quote, since the devastating attack on an elementary school in uvalde, texas, last week, mass shootings around the country have been relentless, coming at a pace of more than two a day. the shootings came as americans went through their ordinary routines, outside a bar and liquor store in michigan, at a house party in california, in a downtown area in tennessee, and at a medical building in tulsa, oklahoma, where four people were killed on wednesday. today, we should make note marks gun violence awareness day, a moment for the country to remember victims and survivors of shootings, which already number 23,000. 23,000. so far just this year, according to on

it also comes the same night that steve bannon was doing an interview with our friend john heilemann is the host of "the circus" on hbo, and he was telling john about how he expected the outcome of the election to come down on january 6th or later. but either way it would be decided in the house of representatives in a contingent election. so what the select committee is trying to establish is there a line between what steve bannon was saying and don jr. was saying. we know they share advisers and they share people close to those two, you know, in their orbits. so they need to establish was there some sort of plan that the trump children knew about for somehow stopping the certification on january 6th as bannon was predicting. >> yeah, ivanka trump of course testified and we've seen some of that testimony, but eric and donald trump, we need to know more about what they were doing around those days, and these cameras from alex holder may help us understand that. hugo lowell, thanks so much as always. joe. >>> hey, joining us now contributor to conservative website the bulwark and host