nbc news national affairs analyst john heilemann. and former white house press secretary, now an msnbc host, jen psaki is with us. also with us, pulitzer prize winning columnist and associate editor of "the washington post," eugene robinson. and pulitzer prize winning historian jon meacham. >> we're going to be talking about quite a few things that are coming up in the coming weeks and some recent developments on donald trump and the legal problems he continues to spiral into, including, i think, what will end up being the most serious of all of them. >>> first, i just -- jen psaki, it has been one year tomorrow since the dobbs decision was released. the supreme court, as the johns were talking, jon meacham and jonathan lemire were talking about earlier in "way too early," approval for the supreme court has plummeted to its lowest point ever. >> yeah. >> disapproval has skyrocketed to its highest point ever. only 36% of americans supported the decision. 61% opposed it. and if you're sitting there going, oh my god, who could have ever

i'm john heilemann with the first word news. the worst canadian wildfire season in recorded history has spread hayes from massachusetts to south carolina and missouri, delaying flights, canceling events enforcing forcing millions to mask up or stay inside. philadelphia and baltimore registered some of the worst readings in the u.s., while washington, d.c. is under a code purple. racing has been canceled that belmont park. new york city schools to be on road construction on friday. there almost 450 active fires in canada. ukrainian president latimer zaleski visited ukraine's south they get -- latimer zaleski. -- the loading near zelinski. ukraine asked united states for assistance in russian occupied territories. in france, the terror was at the motive behind a knife attack this morning that left six wounded, including four children. i suspect is in custody. he holds syrian citizenship. emmanuel macron called it an act of absolute cowardice. a correction following an interview with cathie wood. we want to make clear binance has n

analyst john heilemann. and pulitzer prize winning columnist and associate editor for "the washington post," eugene robinson. we're going to be talking about affirmative action, landmark ruling yesterday. just a shocker for a lot of people. first, john heilemann, really quickly on politics, while we're talking about joe biden and biden getting knocked around, david brooks had a piece on why biden isn't getting the credit he deserves. he says, the misery index is a crude but effective way to measure the health of the economy. if you are a president running for re-election, you want the number as low as possible. when reagan won re-election 49 states, it was 11.4. when george w. bush did so, it was 9. barack obama, 9.5. for joe biden today, 7.7. biden should be cruising to an easy re-election victory. of course, you look at the numbers, he's not there. there is such a disconnect between the economy, his economic numbers in just about every respect and those before him, especially donald trump. yet, the right t

nbc news national affairs analyst, john heilemann, and host of and executive producer of show time's "the circus" and sam stein is with us this morning. donald trump is losing some support among republican primary voters. in the latest cnn survey, 47% of registered republican and republican-leaning independents say trump is their choice to lead the 2024 ticket. that is down 6% from a poll taken last month. but still 21 points higher than florida governor ron desantis who is in second place. former vice president mike pence, and former u.n. ambassador nikki haley round out the top 4 with no other candidate polling above 5%. the poll shows trump's favorability rating has fallen 10 points among republicans since last month from 77% to 67%. additionally 27% now say they have an unfavorable view of the former president compared to 18% in may. among all americans, 59% say trump should end his 2024 campaign now that he has been federally charged. that number is much higher at 85% among non-republican voters. and finally, 55% of americans say the former president broke the law with his misha

john heilemann, your thought on this? generate anger, but it seems to me, of the evidence we've seen, this isn't good. >> well, yes, mika, good morning. i think that's an understatement. you know, trump will point out that, in the passage from the book, it says that trump recalls this thing. he clearly recalled in what we heard on the audio, and trump will cling to the one thing he clings to. he tries to find, what is the one angle i have to play here? there's no video. people forget when the "access hollywood" tape back out in the fall of 2016, there's been a lot of reporting on this subsequently in various books, that trump was trying to say to people, his initial inclination was to say, well, let's claim it was not my voice. somehow, they doctored it. if there is no video, if it is audio, trump will claim it didn't happen because you can't see it happen. i don't think you need the passage in the book to make the case, maybe not in a court of law, but to a normal human being, which is, listen to what he says there. mill

joining the conversation we have nbc news national affairs analyst john heilemann, jen palmieri and anl indictment of donald trump. >> talking about the evolution -- and i'm not mocking him. politicians move and go where they think people are. >> slightly moving toward -- >> he was a fire breather. mike pence did what other republicans were doing first day. second day he said what he did looks serious but i'm going to pardon him. the first day he landed on a reasonable position, innocent until proven guilty. that's very telling. that doesn't happen in a vacuum. more and more republicans are starting to see just how serious this is and also the possibility of the new jersey option. >> when you saw when trump started to get in this trouble when the fbi went down to mar-a-lago, the whole party, the fbi are in melania's bedroom, according to trump, all rallying around him. it's easy to rally around trump as long as the question of what the charges are is hypothetical. every step from then to now has gotten worse for trump up to the worst day in his life when the indictment came down. it to

john heilemann, i had some people that worked with him saying he just doesn't keep stuff for no reasoneople in a lot of countries that would love to have the information that donald trump stole from the white house. >> also, i've had a lifelong attachment to my stash boxes, but that's a different situation. here's the thing -- >> tobacco. >> that is correct. i heard this debate earlier on the show. i always reject the false binary. is trump a weirdo, or is he trying to monetize the secrets? it could be both. if you read all these biographies of him, it's that thing of, you know, he often doesn't have a long-term plan. he's thinking about, how am i going to sell it. no. it's this could be valuable to me later. i could make some money from it. >> that's the way he thinks. >> here's something that at some point might come in handy. it doesn't matter whether it's against the law or inappropriate or unethical. he's just, it's mine now and i'm going to hold onto it for dear life, because at some point i might be able to use it for my benefit. >> katty kay, if you want to know how he thinks a