let me ask you, john heilman, yesterday we had an interesting conversation.ring in new people. new blood to the white house as adrift as this one is. jim vander high came on and said that will not happen. >> that itself not who the president is. that's not who the president has been over the past four.5 years, but is there any evidence in all of the studying you have done, the reporting on the president over two presidential elections that he is simply incapable of, you know, making dramatic turns and bringing in a new group of people? >> i don't know if being capable is the word i would use. he is unencleaned, disencleaned whatever the word. >> why is that? >> i think he has shown demonstrably over the course of his political career he prefers to have a close group of political advisers, a static group. that's his comfort zone. he is not demonstrably ever shown any inclination to go outside, on the couple of occasions, it hasn't worked out very well. bill daily chief of staff. >> cut him off at the knees from day one. >> i'm not litigating that with you. fro

. >> back on set, mike barnicle and john heilman. love that. >> very nice. >> i'm just wondering, if this -- if what the nsa did last year, what the government's been doing for some time, violates the most sacred tenets of the constitution and as a judge said james madison would be deeply offended by what the federal government has done to pry into other peep's lives, does edward snowden then become a whistle-blower? because i don't know the definition of whistle-blower, but if somebody, if let's say this is held up to the united states supreme court, if somebody exposes something that would be deeply offensive to james madison and the framers of constitution, i think edward snowden has a point. >> i've always thought edward snowden was a whistle-blower. he said from the beginning this is what he was trying to do. he wanted to expose the program so it could be challenged in an open court, which it had never been able to be done before is the nature of the program. it's now been challenged in open court. this is the first of a series

>> john heilman is recommending porn. >> bad santa. >> there is no porn, but reference to things thatghout the movie. >> murray abe ram is next. we talk about the in show time's hit drama, homeland. keep it here on "morning joe." >> you know me? >> no. >> i sent you my record about a month ago. >> oh, well. >> you like the record? >> i don't know. i didn't get it. >> here it is. this is it, anyway. that will be $5. i'm joking. >> that was a scene from the golden globe nominated film. joining us on set he plays music promoter bud grossman in the film. his grand dad. she is 10 and gets too much homework. exactly. come over here. now that's what i like. >> immediately into ham mode. >> too much homework. >> will you help me interview your grant pa? what's the first question do you think? we can ask him anything. what haven't you asked him? >> can i have a puppy for christmas? >> my goodness. >> your mother would kill me. >> the answer is no? what else would you like for christmas? >> a golden globe award for the film. >> yes! >> i guess that would be okay. >> do you think you say he call