way outside the norm. >> john hilley. >> thank you.n idea for a new budget system for the federal government to subplant the current one that is clearly not working at all. i have tried to design thisñrçó system that it could be both fiscally responsible and politically viable, which is really the trick. and it's called square one which you'll see in a minute why i and first let me give you a basic concept that tries to create incentives and to reconcile the policy differences and if they fail to doÑi that i is fiscal responsibility. so i'mñr going to circle back t the attributes including a critically the political ones. and again, this is new. you'll see thatÑiçó there's thr interlocking elements involved. i ask you to bear with me. i'm going to try to be precise and ask you to focus. a sg version of this straightforward and comprehensive rule would freeze domestic spending, freeze defense spending, freeze automatic cola adjustments, freeze the inflation indexing of the tax code and freeze other across-the-board types of automatic pa

and the notion -- >> in retrospect clearly but did have it to be that way, john hilley?> well, you know, i think partisanship is here to stay. and i think we'd be unwise to wait for its demise. [laughter] >> and so i think, you know, this decade has been very disappointing because our partisans have not had to really live up to their principles in any significant way. in other words, everybody has gotten a free ride, whether it's doing medicare part d, whether it's cutting taxes. in other words, it's all been put on the tab. and so i think the way you make partisanship work is by creating a box in which they must have the convictions of their principles and actually make choices. and so that's what i've tried to do. and if we want, we can talk about how i think this could actually be implemented. bill, you remember gramm-rudman-hollings and that thing sailed past and it was on its way -- >> john, larry's point, but do you have to have at least bipartisan agreement to build the box? >> well, there's two ways that now sort of talking legislative strategy that i would appro