let's bring in john hoffmeister, kreismt off of sith zen for affordable energy, john, is this delay more about pipelines, or has this ever been about a pipeline? >> well, you know, we have 200,000 miles of pipelines in this country, and the keystone xl represents about -- less than 1% of that total. not the reality of pipelines. i don't rather any of the environmentalists say pull up the existing pipelines and get rid of them, because they're moving too much oil, which is bad for us. no, oil is good for us. the economy depends upon the oil. this is a political battle about hydrocarbon versus non-hydrocarbon, and the obama administration is unfortunately stuck right in the middle of it where they're darned if they do, darned if they don't. you usually have executives to make decisions. that's what executives do, but we don't seem to be able to get a decision on this one. >> john, at the end of the day it's all about moving the oil to where it needs to be. that's what the industry want. at there point, there was a study done by an ontario consultant who used to work for canada's -- and he