. >>> with us tonight, a gentleman we've spoken to before on the subject, john hofmeister, a veteran of the business, former president of shell oil and currently ceo of citizens for affordable energy. john, first off, do you believe what you heard today? and what if they're wrong about the integrity of this thing? >> well, it all comes down to confidence and credibility, brian. there is a huge debate taking place among industry experts and bp experts about the quality of the well, whether it has integrity, whether it can withstand the pressures, whether it can withstand the kind of emergency blow-out that it faced and will that cap lead to more breaches, if there are breaches, or what exactly is going on in the well itself? it's a confidence game. and where do you believe, who do you believe and what they have to say? >> and what if? i mean, what if there's structural integrity problems and we get, god forbid, into a situation where you've got oil coming up from more than one source and you're chasing these leaks on the ocean floor? how will that ever, all of it, be contained in our l