c-span: in your afterword at the end of the book, you quote john hope franklin--and i guess the reasoni want to bring this up after i read it is ask you when you hear this quote and then you know the president has appointed him as the chairman of his advisory committee on race discussion, what does it mean? quote, "jefferson didn't mean it when he wrote that all men are created equal," writes historian john hope franklin. quote, "we've never meant it. the truth is we're a bigoted people and always have been." >> guest: right. and that's the man that president clinton puts in charge of a national conversation on race. this is scandalous. i mean, this is a man whose understanding of the founding is--it's just incompetent. i mean, it's not true what he says. the civil war, what lincoln did becomes unintelligible if he's right. i mean, lincoln--you know, hundreds of thousands of americans sacrificed their lives to vindicate the principle that all men are created equal. and he's saying, `we've always been a bigoted people and we always will be.' this is inaccurate and it's also a shame that