and, of course, his father, john hope franklin, along with his father, he co-edited the book, "my lifend era." the also served as advisor on the document resell -- documentary film. i have to tell you, dr. franklin, that is a tough audience he was speaking before. i mean, there were so many applause lines, i'm listening, that today, people would have been on their feet. think what we just heard from courtland and you and the others about what washington was. the establishment was segregated. and he gave that kind of speech. that had to be -- i'm sorry, but, it certainly was not his audience. am i over exaggerating this? dr. brickley? dr. franklin: not at all. we grew up being able to function into societies. joe: how does that apply to lobby hard? dr. franklin: we grew up being able to function in the black community, and he went to boston university. he can function in white academia. academics was a segregated as any other at that time. , what were theer issues when he arrived here in 1947? and he said, the big question in the city was, what george washington university lose their au