. >> i john hultquist. i'm from mandiant intelligence analysis shop. we look at threats, you know, all over the world, using response, you know, a dozen different ways to sort of collect this data. we bring it back to, you know, one centralized intelligence hub, where we are sort of developing intelligence on threats around the world. i've been with various versions of mandiant for about 12 years. before that i was with that with the eye and diplomatic security at stake, mostly looking at the russian threat. >> right. max. you next? >> my name is max smeets. i'm a senior researcher at eth zurich studies and also direct the european cyber conflict research initiative. >> wonderful. as you can see, we've got a great panel ahead and what i'm actually going to do is have each of them give about a two-minute overview on their thoughts on diplomacy and deterrence in this space and we'll use that as the foundation for a conversation. anybody want to get started? >> sure, i'll get started. so it's interesting and very broad topic. i think you need to take it b