and the great, you know, the great experience has been that i'm now actually john irving's editor.t's been one of the best experiences of my life. >> host: well, mr. karp, as a former newspaper reporter you've probably got a book in you, right? >> guest: i don't know. when i was a newspaper reporter, i was -- one of my last stories was i was sent to cover a garbage dump that was on fire. so i think maybe i got out at the right time. >> host: morgan, how did you get into the publishing world? >> guest: um, i got into publish anything 1977. i always say that i was, i was at school in between the hippies and the yuppies, so just getting through school was an accomplishment. i was at stanford, and stanford be has always had a great writers' program. and some of the people that were there at the time when i was there, raymond carver, richard hugo, none of them could get published. and one of them told me about the publishing graduate course at radcliffe, now in columbia, and i signed up and went to it, and it sort of opened my eyes to this whole world. i grew up in middleton. you don't