if you get an opportunity to interview john jennerette, that would be -- because his experience is one that i cannot imagine. i cannot imagine how -- what that must have been like. but at any rate, we got these calls. i was convinced that there were people still left in the ambush site, and that we needed to do something to try to get support for them or get them out. and at some point we decided we needed to go. so i basically made the decision i was going to go to patrol and go out. i don't know if you interviewed fred or not. said captain, you cannot leave this perimeter and go out on a patrol and try to -- you've got more guys in here that you need to worry about and who's going to -- because the x.o.'s wounded. i've got lieutenants that are down. i've got a number of my key ncos, and i'm going to go out on a rescue mission. not even knowing what's out there. so klug said i'll do it. he takes a patrol and some stretchers that had been dropped off by the medevac guys who were coming in to go out into the lz. we're assuming we get a single radio call. there's not a lot of folks out t