john kasich, i think it's been a really interesting evolution.i think he represents a lot of people. john kasich, i'll be honest, he was pretty conservative when he started out as governor. obviously want to, good for him. i did not agree with him on most things. but he's evolved in a lot of ways. when i watch him now be willing to stand up and call out extremism, call out trump or something. i'm glad to see. it i think one of the problems on the republican side has been too few republicans for whatever reason. either they agree with trump, people have a right rear of trump. or they don't believe in -- cowards have-nots to up. and the reason he has taken over the party is because so many unlike john kasich have not have a backbone to stand up. to listen to that is unless you stand up, if the other person is the only voice in the room, that voice will dominate. when donald trump went down the escalator in that first campaign event. he was not taken as a serious candidate. when all those other candidates in all the mainstream republicans wouldn't s

joining us now is former governor and republican, john kasich, boston globe columnist, kimberly atkinsre and susan del percio. you see the governor on cnn moments ago saying he's not running. let's watch what he had to say. >> given where the polls are right now, every candidate needs to understand the responsibility of getting out and getting out quickly. >> so he's basically saying, governor, what you and others learned in 2016. the more candidates, the more likely it is that donald trump will dominate the field and get the nomination. >> it absolutely helps trump. at the same time, you know, when you run for president, if you're not doing it right, get a television show, it's because you really believe you can help the country. how do you tell somebody who really believes they're the best person to run to country to get out? i don't subscribe to that. we have to see how this goes. two things. one is congrats to kristen welker. as the father of two women, i think it's fantastic. maybe one of my daughters one day will be at the helm. the second thing, i cannot get out of my head, the

marco rubio would have beaten donald trump had john kasich not been in the race. to watch for republicans is how many stay in when they have no chance. amna: you say stay and pass the early states? whit: past south carolina, just like the democrats did with joe biden after south carolina. amna: i want to ask you about f osothece icifsp. the line that mike pence has to walk here, running against the man alongside whom he served for four years, whose supporters wanted to kill him on january 6. what do you make about how he is messaging along those lines? whit: mike pence is caught between a rock and a hard place. he is not trump enough for the trump bees and he is too trumpy enough for the non-trumpys. it's a tough line. amna: does chris christie ramping up his attacks against some of trump, does that force of the candidates to meet him where he is? whit: no. he's. talented and very good at making an argument. very powerful at making an attack on his oppones. but the republican party is split into three factions. there is a never trump faction that is only about 10%

marco rubio would have won virginia and beaten donald trump if john kasich had not been in the race.or republicans is how many stay in when they have got no chance. amna: and you say stay in, past those early states, past south carolina in this case? whit: yes, yes, stay in past south carolina. just like the democrats did with joe biden -- after south carolina, they got out and endorsed him. amna: i want to ask you about some of the specific candidates, especially the ones that joined the race this week. the line that mike pence has to walk here, running against the man alongside whom he served for four years, whose supporters said they wanted to kill him on january 6, what do you make of how he's messaging along those lines right now? whit: mike pence, who, by all accounts, is a very good man, is caught between a rock and a hard place. he's not trumpy enough for the trumpies, and he's too trumpy for the non-trumpies. so he's got a very difficult line to walk. we will see if he can make that work. but it's a tough, tough line. amna: what do you make of how chris christie has set hims

i would vote for john kasich to be mr. republican party. until then i will just stick with voting for the democrats. host: all right. let's go to the republican line now. jonathan is falling from ohio. caller: hi. host: good morning what are your thoughts about a third-party candidate? caller: i am back and forth with it, but probably not, but i am still just stick with trump. there's a lot of stuff from trump that has -- and all that stuff. but third-party out no with the parties still take documentaries -- i mean documents home also? i remember republican. host: all right the next caller is on the democratic line. rudy is in washington. rudy, are you there? caller: oh yeah, i am here. thank you for taking my call. you know, i would like vote for -- i might vote for a third party candidate if one would run that is not a crack -- that wasn't a crackpot. but at this point i don't see anything. i think i would vote for anybody that could beat donald trump. and that is a guts to say. thank you. by now. host: let's hear from roy in virginia. re

we saw jeb bush, ted cruz and john kasich and others run more a pro-big business platform, and even pro-globalization platform and they all failed. and now we have nikki haley and tim scott and now mike pence running on the same platform. again though, where is the enthusiasm for any of their policies? this is why the left is so scared of both trump and desantis. they represent a different world view. back when ronald reagan was running the battle against jimmy carter, the business community was truly terrified about what was happening to the u.s. economy. but today, our fortune 500ceo's, they are not sweating high taxes, especially with republicans in charge of the house. these days taxes and regulations, they are in -- they are a much bigger headache for middle class drivers than the 1%-ers. if you really want to understand the political mindset of our wealthiest business leaders today, you needed to watch the private jet traffic to shanghai into beijing the past few weeks. >> call it a ceo parade in china, leaders of some of america's biggest companies are there this week. >> starbucks ceo is in t

any single individual than it was in 2016, whether it was jeb bush or ted cruz or marco rubio or john kasich. i think desantis has the capacity to consolidate more of the republicans hesitant about trump than any of those data. but not in an infinite capacity. there is, in fact, kind of an overlap of the repeat of the dynamic of 2016 in this sense. in 2016, donald trump won about half of the republicans without a college degree the only one about a third of the republicans with a degree, the rest of those white-collar republicans never consolidated around a single alternative to him. that is the risk, i think, for republicans. again, many of these candidates getting into the race, nikki haley, chris christie, tim scott, even probably desantis, ultimately they appeal more to the white-collar side of the party then to the blue-collar side of the party. that is trump strength. there is a risk there is too little competition for trump. and too much competition for the pool of voters who are the most skeptical of him. >> now wrong, we just closed off a roller coaster of a week. i'm talking about

i want to play a bit about what john kasich had to say about suarez on this show yesterday. >> the mayortly very appealing. it's very tough from going from being mayor. pete buttigieg made a lot of noise. >> winning the noise isn't the same as winning the nomination but do you think it's possible that a lesser known candidate like suarez could have a chance? >> it reminds me of dumb and dumber, so you think i have a chance in this regard. i mean, i think anybody that gets in the race now knows that the thousand pound gorilla in the room is donald trump, and it's going to be very tough for anybody to win in this race. i actually think if he enters the race, it's another good news for donald trump because the more candidates, the better for im, which means his 30 or 40% of the vote is going to win every primary if there's that many candidates in the race. i think it's bad news for two things. the group of people that want to get past trump, this only helps donald trump, but it's also really bad news for ron desantis because this is a florida candidate with some base of support. some popula

interesting conversation last weekend with john kasich, who is talking about out of control inflation. he said, modern monetary policy is to blame for that. i said we don't actually have modern monetary policy as a policy in place. that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. let's talk about that. inflation is coming down. there was always a fear that if you don't have a gold standard against which to measure your money, inflation will be out of control. then ever came to pass. >> no, it didn't. in fact, since we've gone off, what you could say, officially the gold standard in 1971, the dollar has strengthened about 55% of the time. and weakened about 45% of the time. the dollar has performed remarkably well, post-gold standard era. so i did hear part of that conversation, this idea that modern monetary theory, or mmt, brought us unleashed to this inflation 40 year high or something. mmt is really a lens. it's a framework for analysis. it helps us understand what policy options are available to us. as you discussed in a previous segment, congress sees things very differently this time. th

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it was back in 2016, ted cruz and john kasich, they kind of had a pact right at the end when it camenal three. at that point it was too late, and the reason they came to a pact to take on donald trump was because they realized that was the only way they had a chance to stop him. and so for donald trump right now, he feels like he's in a good position. and since ron desantis announced his polling numbers really haven't changed. nationally he's still 25, 30 points up here. this growing field only helps him because it distracts attention away from him of being the sole target while others are trying to fight amongst themselves. >> mike pence was trump's vice president, he was loyal to trump for a long time. so anti-trumpers don't love him, but trump supporters don't love him either. we all remember those rioters who stormed the capitol chanting hang mike pence. how might he go about redefining himself in this race? >> mike pence, he's a good and honorable man, but i think mike pence is trying to stake out his own lane. he's going to run as a traditional, conservative republican, sociall

jake sherman is the co-founder of punchbowl news, john kasich, the former republican governor of ohioe to disagree about, jake sherman, what's happening on the hill in the wake of what we found out on friday? >> well, people, as you indicated, are taking positions that we expected them to take. kevin mccarthy, the house speaker moments ago, 30, 40 minutes ago said joe biden had documents in his garage which opens and closes, and donald trump had them in a bathroom which locks, which i guess is one way to view the situation. listen, i think the reaction is going to be relatively familiar here. we all know what's going to happen. republicans on capitol hill, many of them feel, whether right or wrong, that they owe their political career to donald trump. i'm not sure that many of them do, but that's what they think. they're going to defend them. i think the interesting thing will be how much do senate republicans step out of that line? i think we'll see the senate come back in at 5:30 this evening and perhaps we'll see a little more skepticism from senate republicans compared to house re

jonathan lemire is "politico's" white house bureau chief and house of msnbc's "way too early," john kasich is the former republican governor of ohio. both jonathan and governor kasich are msnbc political analysts, and here at the table, nbc's vaughn hillyard who has been covering donald trump. all right, governor, you know, i asked for you specifically because you were the first one who raised with me the prospect of a suarez candidacy on this program. clearly you still have a few people in the republican party whispering in your ear. look, here's the facts also, never been a sitting mayor -- >> i'm like a swammy, i've got a little ball here, i can see the future. just kidding, people whispered to me. >> i'll talk to you about my lottery numbers. back to suarez, never been a mayor elected president. people like bloomberg have tried. in miami, this is a ceremonial role. does he have the gravitas to make a showing on the debate stage let alone be president of the united states? >> well, look, i welcome him as a candidate, you know, and my job is to just be a referee here, an umpire, call the

i think the mistake i made, jeb bush made, john kasich made, that we didn't go after trump early enoughve to set in about donald trump, that then became impossible for us to change or overcome. look, he has been a major world figure for the last eight years. and so we're not going to be able to knock down his numbers or shake some of his support. i've been in the race for three weeks. it's been three weeks. but we have, you know, seven months until the first people vote. and my message will be heard by then. and i think the american people care about the truth, kaitlan, i really do. and i think the republican party cares about the truth. and i think they want to hear, but no one has been saying it to them. and i'm going to say it to them. >> on donald trump's fundraising, he has quietly begun diverting money he is raising for his 2024 campaign into a political action committee that he has used, which we can see from filings, for his personal legal fees. what do you make of that? >> it's disgraceful. it's disgraceful. he's going to middle class men and women in this country, and they're

pro-business republican , mitt r romney in 2012 in 2016, we saw candidates like jeb bush, ted cruz, john kasich and others mor, ron moore on a pro big business platform arm, even pro globalization platform. and they all failed. and now we have nikktim sci haly and tim scott. and soon, of course, we have now mike pence running on the same platform. again, though, where's sce enthusiasm for any of their policies? this is why the left is so scared of both trump and desantis. they represent a different worldview. now, back when ronald reaganrunn was leading the conservativeer,h movement into battle against jimmy carter, the business community was truly at that.s time terrified about what wasbu happening to the us economy. >> o but today, our fortune. five hundred ceos, they're not sweating high taxes, especially with republicans in charge of the housaxese these days.e taxes and regulations, they're a much bigger headache for middle class strivers than for the one percenters. >> now, look, if you really want to understands lead the political mindset of our wealthiest business leaders watch you neede

we got convinced that we should all fight amongst ourselves, myself, marco rubio, john kasich, sort of the establishment lane of the. party and -- we were going to advance to the next round are gonna face the winner of trump and cruz, and carson, and karina. guess what, but the time we got -- trump won the nomination. we cannot let it happen this time, and i will not let it happen this time. i will take it on directly and not because i don't like him, i'm gonna take him out because he's the leader. like, how do you -- i don't understand the other candidates who won't mention his name. i watched that joni ernst roast and right thing, it was like was voldemort from harry potter, no one model to mention his name. someone who is leading backwards. say his name, say his name. how do you beat someone if you don't talk about them? how are you gonna beat them when you can't distinguish yourself from them? i think, like i said -- some of them were afraid. look what he does. i've got a nickname now, and -- that was really nice. it makes me feel even more important. i'll just tell you, i've known

murray meets with donald trump his initial candidate for president john kasich the governor of ohio who had a very close relationship doesn't make it very far in the primaries. so he shifts his focus to trump. finally someone who's not from coal country, but who shares the bombast who shares the complete indifference really for for scientific, you know truth and who is willing to go all in on coal and someone who is willing and i think our next panelist will pick up with this discussion. really willing to embrace the rhetoric the symbolism. of the coal miner right as that symbol of making america great again, right? this is really the core. i think this messaging that bob murray folks like bob murray folks like jim rhodes had embraced, you know to an extent folks like jimmy carter and to an extent like jay rockefeller rough that angle two, but weren't able t know, kind of figure out how to balance that within the democratic party. this becomes the core of trump's symbolism and becomes the core of trump's of president trump's political base, right this understanding of blaming deindustri

way to really make the case against him, and i think all of us, myself, jeb bush, marco rube bow, john kasichd build a wall, he didn't do it. about a quarter of the wall is built. he said mexico would pay for it. we haven't gotten our first peso. >> chris christie has been throwing major truth bombs. he is extremely aggressive as he launches his campaign. former vice president mike pence launched his bid for the white house and made the announcement during a rally outside des moines, iowa, yesterday afternoon. and it happened on his 64th birthday. during his speech pence made his most aggressive attack against donald trump to date saying his former boss does not deserve to be back in the white house. >> january 6th was a tragic day in the life of our nation. but thanks to the courage of law enforcement, the violence was quelled and we reconvened the congress the very same day. to complete the work of the american people under the constitution of the united states. as i've said many times, on that fateful day, president trump's words were reckless. they endangered my family and everyone at the

even during government shutdowns, john kasich was patiently going over to the white house, sitting withnetta. there was the white, hot noise down here, and then there was this signal that they stayed focused on. that was getting things done. i'm reminded of what tip o'neill's son told chris matthews about his relationship with ronald reagan. he said, the only thing my dad hated more than ronald reagan's ideology was getting nothing done for the american people. so they learned how to work together, learned how to be friends, learned how to put america first. >> well, you know, joe, i mean, part of the reason, part of the answer as to what happened, the successful event that concluded last night in the senate, is joe biden's roots. it's joe biden's human nature. i mean, the roots of joe biden are really in the united states senate. i think if you think about it and look back at it and talk to him about it, he will tell you that after he lost his wife and daughter, the senate gave him purpose. it gave him a reason to live. two guys in the united states senate helped save his life in that