i want to bring in former governor john kasich, an msnbc political analyst.out some of these individual things. let's look at the big picture. years ago, governor, you called on policymakers in what you say, in what you wrote, to stop denying, to act on climate change. at this moment, politicians seem more divided than ever on solutions to a problem that we all know is only getting worse. do you think on the other side the people who don't want change, is it denialism? is it they believe it's bad for the economy? what is motivating it at this point, governor? >> well, maybe both of them to some degree. chris, the fact of the matter is, first of all, you have weather and weather needs to be separated from climate. but the fact that the climate, the fact we're heating the atmosphere is influencing our weather. there's no question about it. maybe it's some fact that they want to stick to fossil fuels. let's talk a little bit about that. natural gas -- i frankly look at it as a bridge to renewables. we have to gop the renewables, but we have to develop the storag

i want to bring back former republican governor john kasich.rnor desantis's reboot is to expect fewer big speeches, more handshaking in diners and churches, more national focus. i think than constant florida references and they also say the mainstream media may get more access. this was an interview with an actor russell brand, in which he's essentially denying what happened on january 6th. does that sound like a reboot? >> first of all, i don't understand, why is he doing this with russell brand? and secondly, i can't believe he even started to talk about the fact that there were not people there intent on trying to disrupt the election. that's pure fantasy. i think the issue, chris, we've talked about this before. i'll give you the three principles, if you want to run for president you have to have money. two, you have to have good ideas, and number three, you have to have magic. i think the problem that desantis is running into is he is not connecting with people, and they can make the venue big. they can make the venue small, the issue is a

she is also an msnbc contributor and former ohio governor and 2020 presidential contender john kasichalso an msnbc political analyst. so ali, what are you watching for today? >> reporter: yeah, jose, you know that these campaigns are waged in ballrooms like this one, and they're covered in whispered tones like the one i'm going to use with you throughout this report. foreign policy will take center stage in this republican primary. trump is not here, but certainly he continues to loom over this and events like this as many of these contenders are trying to present themselves as an alternative, even as they talk about things during the trump administration that they may have been a part of or supported. when we're thinking about governor ron desantis, i think about the book he put out earlier this year wherein he talks about the fact where he was someone who really pushed president trump to move the embassy, the u.s. embassy to jerusalem. that of course something that trump has trumpeted himself over the course of the last few years. but for someone like former south carolina governor

but two former republican governors here in ohio -- bob taft and john kasich -- have come out againsts august special election. they said this simply is not the way to amend the states constitution. it is too important for that for this issue and other issues going forward. so, one thing is clear. for the next month here in this summer campaign, abortion is front and center in ohio. >> all right, jeff zeleny, appreciate it. just ahead, a grandmother arrested for participating in january 6th is now speaking out about the former president's lies -- and gary tuchman has the story next. (vo) when someone is diagnosed with cancer, they need support. subaru and our retailers are there to help... by providing blankets for comfort and warmth and encouraging messages of hope to help support nearly three hundred thousand patients facing cancer nationwide. we call it “the subaru love promise.” and we're proud to be the largest automotive donor to the leukemia and lymphoma society. subaru. more than a car company. eva's about to learn her fear of missing out leads to overeating. i totally eat stu

. >>> joining me now is congressman john kasich, who ran for the republican nomination in 2016 againstgress, sir? >> you know, it was so different back then. you know. you covered it. >> i know. >> now what it gets to be is everybody has their special little deal where they are driving things to satisfy some narrow group. when we think about this problem, it's with the defense bill, it's with all the appropriation bills, all these problems started with the election of mccarthy and how it got done. at the time, i made an argument that the democrats should have come in, the moderate democrats working with moderate republicans and kind of be able to reduce the power of extremes on both sides and elect a speaker who could lead the house in a way that made a lot of sense. the democrats kind of loved fact that the republicans were falling apart. the republicans, of course, thumbed their nose at the democrats and said, we will do it. now you have this problem. the chickens have come home to roost. i don't know how they will get through any appropriation bills. i was there when we had to colle

joining me now, mor yawl, and republican governor and former presidential candidate, john kasich. good morning. >> good morning, it's good to see you, i'm sorry we've had so much other news today, but i want to get to this. he's been defending the florida education standards. there may be some positive things in it, we're going through it, but this really stands out of course saying there were positive aspects to slave by because enslaved people could learn some skills. >> reporter: what governor desantis doesn't understand enslaved africans brought skills to north america. they were farmers, they were carpenters. they were builders, they were iron workers. in effect, they were skilled as they arrived to the shores of the united states. and the idea that you got skills that you could use later in life, there was no later in life but being enslaved, except for maybe the last generation that were freed. this is absolutely insulting for a person and people of the educational levels of governor desantis and the education establishment in florida to posit this and think that people wil

also joining us is former republican governor of ohio and former 2016 presidential candidate john kasichtion are we hearing from trump's campaign team? >> reporter: so far in the first hour, ana, silence from several of the candidates. asa hutchinson, the former governor of arkansas who is running for the republican nomination said this should be disqualifying of donald trump if he is found guilty of ever serving in the white house again. nikki haley was also just on fox news a few moments ago. i want you to listen to part of her remarks. >> that's why i am running, is because we need a new generational leader. we can't keep dealing with this drama. we can't keep dealing with the negativity. we can't keep dealing with all of this. we've got china that's literally trying to be at war with us. you have iran building a bomb. you have north korea detaining a soldier and testing ballistic missiles. we need to focus on the debt and the lack of transparency in schools and crime and the craziness on the border. we can't be sitting there focused on lawsuits over and over again. >> reporter: ana,

murray meets with donald trump his initial candidate for president john kasich the governor of ohio who had a very close relationship doesn't make it very far in the primaries. so he shifts his focus to trump. finally someone who's not from coal country, but who shares the bombast who shares the complete indifference really for for scientific, you know truth and who is willing to go all in on coal and someone who is willing and i think our next panelist will pick up with this discussion. really willing to embrace the rhetoric the symbolism. of the coa miner right as that symbol of making america great again, right? this is rea thee. i think this messaging that bob murray folks like bob murray folks like jim rhodes embraced, you know to an extent folks like jimmy carter and to an extent like jay rocfeer through that alewo, but weren't able to you kno kd of figure out how to balance that within the democratic party. this becomes the core of trump's symbolism and becomes the core of trump's of president trump's political base, right this understanding of blaming deindustrialization on envi

look, we all got fooled eight years ago into this idea -- by all of us, me, marco rubio, jeb bush, john kasichment lane and then a more progressive lane. somehow, like the ncaa tournament, willie, we'd advance in the brackets to face the winners. by the time we were done fighting with each other, donald trump had won the nomination. it was over. to me, there's only one lane. donald trump is at the head of that lane. if you want to win, you have to go through him. so, you know, i think all of the other folks in this race, some of whom i have great respect for, some less respect for, the fact is if they think by standing there and ignoring donald trump, that they're going to beat him, i could tell them from experience eight years ago, not going to happen. you have to beat the man to be the man, willie. he's the man who is ahead in the polls, and you need to take him on. answers like governor desantis just gave on the clip you showed, by blaming other people for your inability to go after donald trump, is not the way to win this nomination, in my view. >> so there is this belief that the more tha

i'd like to see john kasich run as a republican. i would vote for him and i'm a democrat.e is a normal guy, he is a good guy. host: do you plan to vote for president biden again? caller: well, it depends what the choices -- if there is a republican that i like, i'd vote for a republican. because, i think mr. biden has made his life in politics. and he has never had a private job. and, you know, in my world, he has been there too long. he's done a lot of good stuff. but, look at the millions of dollars that were spent to get him reelected -- elected when the roads in my area are terrible. there is a lot of homeless. there is no mental health facilities. and those are my priorities. host: ok. let's hear from kathleen. kathleen in dayton, ohio. democrats line. caller: thank you. i looked through your archives. excuse me. and washington journal has never done any programs or had guests on having to do with the four international reports labeling israel as an apartheid government, having to do with their policies. there was an amnesty report, a u.n. report and a human rights wa