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. >> joining me now, former ohio governor and republican presidential candidate john kasich and robert gibbs. robert gibbs, president biden is praising senator manchin's service, citing key legislation he helped pass. what does his exit mean for the senate, potentially? we know he had a tough opponent in the governor. what does it mean in terms of the white house's re-election? >> great questions. first, i think you have to acknowledge that were it not for joe manchin having that senate seat -- even though it was sometimes difficult -- lots of the legislation that biden likes to tout would not have become law. i think the reality is, even had senator manchin run for re-election, he would not have been the favorite to be re-elected. this is not a state that's great for democrats. joe biden got 29% of the vote in 2020. this was always going to be tough. it will be. the margin for error in the senate is much, much smaller. i think as it relates to a third-party candidate, we will have to see. joe manchin has talked about the fact that if he does this, he is doing this to win. the reality

with us now to talk more about this is former ohio governor, john kasich, who is now an msnbc politicalink the possibility of what is being decided in ohio about abortion could have a national significance going forward? >> well, josÉ, i mean, we talked about this before. i think it's fair to say that people don't want extremes on either end. they don't want the heartbeat bill or the late-term abortions. i think where the country is, it's in the middle. like i say, nothing on the extreme up front. nothing on the extreme in the end. this is where this really has migrated to. i think that's where you are going to see this issue play out. those that want to impose extreme on the front end or where you see extremes on the back end, they will be vulnerable to some sort of a popular referendum that will try to move things to a place where people feel is more reasonable. >> tomorrow night, as you know, five republican presidential candidates are going to be gathering in miami for their third debate, once again without trump who will be holding an event not far away. is there anything any of th

but he in the end fell woefully behind, not just donald trump, not just ted cruz, but also john kasicht's move over to ninikki haley. haley has taken a slow and steady approach to this race. she has not come in with a huge amount of fanfare compared to her rivals. she did not spend a huge amount of money. she did not come with the biggest war chest. and that has been to her benefit. she's run a lean and mean operation and benefitted the most probably from all of the debate performances where she's shown a fighting spirit. and this is what the result is. republican voters want to see some kind of candidates who have that fighting spirit in them. and i think that that is what we're seeing in this polling. she is focused on new hampshire too, a state where there is a strong independent streak and strong curiosity for alternatives to frontrunners. and haley is fitting that bill right now. >> makes sense. daniel, the one thing when i look at these numbers is, you know, iowa, trump is a little more dominant in iowa. new hampshire, there is clear -- clear that there is -- trump is below 50, h

i saw john kasich on the air an hour ago with chris jansing, saying that abortion won big in ohio last night, and so did marijuana, by the way, it doesn't mean that nationally or that on the state level for national office it's going to be a winner for democrats. not going to win ohio because voters decided that they wanted to enshrine abortion into their constitution? >> i mean, i think a democrat hasn't won ohio in a presidential in a while. it used to be a reliably purple place. it's been looking a little more red as cycles continue. that doesn't mean that he can't do well there, right? it's all about closing the margins from campaign perspective in a place that is -- you look at what happened in kentucky. the way governor beshear held on as he ran up his numbers in the urban areas. they voted for him last time, some due to daniel cameron being the chief architect of not getting breonna taylor just, but some of the rural areas, the reliably red places, he closed up the margins. that is what joe biden is going to have to do in some of the counties in michigan. >> can he do that? can

this is what romney had to say about former ohio governor john kasich.tentiveness, ego. no wonder he and chris christie spark. why do you think he is speaking so candidly about so many in his -- i mean, some are searing. i would argue a lot of them, you know, kind of spot on, but go ahead. >> well, you know, some of those quotes are from his journals which he gave me early on in the process of writing the book. i later found out, without having read them himself, he hadn't reread them. so he handed over hundreds of pages of his private journals, including some pretty candid comments about members of his party. a lot of the comments are from interviews he gave me over the two years that we spent together. i mean, look, you know, as those quotes have kind of gotten out over the past week, some people have said, well, romney looks petty or he's consumed with his old resentments. i'll let people make that judgment for what's really at ps romney is enormously disappointed with the leaders of his party. he feels like this party that once stood for all these th

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