. >>> joining us now john kasich, foreigner governor. thanks for being with us.ant you to give me your opinion on what david from is arguing that haley's voters are not gettable by donald trump. >> you know, it's probably true. you know, i'm not sure that they were so much for haley as much as they were not for donald trump. and by the way, it seems as though politics has become an awful lot about expediency. i was one of those people who walked away. it wasn't that important to me -- well, first of all, when i didn't win in 2016, i had a shot at doing this again, and the fact of the matter is you cannot do -- you can, it's not wise to do a political calculation today based on what might happen down the road. senator and former governor george moin vich used to say take care of stuff today and what happens tomorrow will take care of itself. so i think haley's decision, by the way, was based on expediency. i think she felt that if she didn't do this she wouldn't be viable in the future. who knows what the future's going to bring, and how will she feel if the futur

charlie sykes with me, along with john kasich, former republican governor of ohio, and msnbc analyst. pure cringe? >> well, i mean, look what they had to do as part of the audition, part of the vp apprentice show that kevin mccarthy is talking about. they have to mimic donald trump's every bit of rhetoric. they have to prove that they are also election denialists, marco rubio is refusing to say he wouldn't move out of florida. you have elise stefanik, attacking the special prosecutor, and adopting donald trump's use of the word hostage to describe the january 6th rioters. the ghost of mike pence haunts all of this because donald trump just does not want to go through having another vice president. by the way, the one person he can not fire, someone who might have vestiges of conscience, who might say no at a crucial point. it's not just loyalty that he's looking for. he has to find somebody who is willing to do absolutely anything. and what you see is each of these candidates lined up saying, i'm willing to do the nastiest, dirtiest things. i'm willing to overturn elections. in kristi

former ohio governor john kasich, thank you very much.n "the daily beast" asks is nicole shanahan the most dangerous woman in america and gives new details. joanna, what makes her potentially very dangerous and dangerous to who? >> great question, mika. noah kirsch and his team at the beast have put together a truly fascinating piece about this woman who is literally the most intriguing woman in america and the most consequential. she is armed with a lot of cash from her divorce from a cofounder of google. she is supporting robert kennedy jr. and the casual details say actually it was her boyfriend when they were having a dinner with robert and his wife cheryl hines said why don't you think about nicole to be your deputy? nicole describes a moment when the two of them swing in their chairs and fix on her and say would you be interested? of course, she's got a stash of cash from sergei. she's got a fascinating history of relationships. what the team found when they talked to dozens of people who'd worked with her and knew her were of two c

now former ohio governor john kasich ran on the republican ticket had this to say. >> i'm starting tor if there's a real possibility that joe biden will not be the democrat nominee. i'm starting to wonder about it. >> governor where is this coming from? >> it comes from the fact that i have talked to a lot of people, and i see what these numbers are like jose. i mean, you had a -- poll that polled jaira poll not only could he not fix the economy and trump way ahead of him but they said they're not sure he's as competent, in fact, that the economy is not turning the fact that people are saying this is a terrible economy for them. the fact that they have said they don't have any confidence that joe biden can fix it. his public appearances have not been very good and now they've agreed to two debate which is is out there as you can get. i'm starting to wonder -- >> see how debates go tom i fell give you the last word do you think democrats might actually replace biden on the ticket? tom: yeah it is pretty dire i think he's the kind of -- there's nobody there like in baseball -- you know,

also with us nbc news senior national politics reporter jonathan allen and john kasich, former republicanovernor of ohio, now an msnbc political analyst. so dasha, what's the mood there in st. paul? what are we expecting from trump's event? >> reporter: well, look, jose, the trump campaign is bullish on breaking the blue wall. we first reported they were looking to expand their states to minnesota and to virginia. a couple of weekends ago at that donor retreat in palm beach, we actually got a slide from a presentation they gave to donors saying they feel like they can be competitive in the state. their internal numbers showing that it could be a tight race, that he could potentially according to their pollster win the state of minnesota. now, it's one thing to say that to donors when you're trying to raise money, right? it's another thing to take action on it. and today we are seeing the former president come here to address gop crowd here at lincoln reagan dinner tonight, and he's going to try to make that message clear that he is actually going to play in this state and in the state of

john kasich, tom rice out of south carolina. nguished by the republican party of cast aside, you don't see chuck grassley, john thune on social media because it's pretty easy to put out a tweet. it's very easy to put out a tweet but you don't see them doing that because the pushback for the ecosystem. >> frank figliuzzi, the last word. >> yeah, the speed with which the maga crowd jumped on this and the consistency of their messaging seems to speak towards some level of coordination. that means desperation. that's what they have right now, that's why they're jumping on it but desperate people do dangerous things. that's why the attorney general said this information is dangerous. it will cause mentally unstable people to lash out against fbi properties and that's a deep concern. >> that's not a fantasy. it's a not a what if. we live in post-january 6, post-mike pence, post-political violence, post-election denialism, post-liz cheney being an elected official in the united states, america. frank, david, vaughan, thank you for havin

i saw time and time again john kasich being called terrible things and still sitting down, patiently same thing. it is unfortunate. if you want to know what you can do to make a difference, you can figure out how to stop gerrymandering in your state, because somebody like marjorie taylor greene has nothing to worry about. she cast her insult out there. 30, 40 years ago before we had computierized gerrymandered districts, there's no way she would have been elected. there's no way. so she insults a black woman, and i guarantee you contributions to her campaign will skyrocket. >>> let's talk about something more uplifting. >> a historic anniversary. 70 years ago today the world witnessed a landmark supreme court decision that changed the path of public education. in the milestone brown versus board of education civil rights case, the supreme court unanimously ruled that separating children in public schools on the basis of race was unconstitutional and inherently unequal. the suit combines several cases in which black children and their schools had far fewer resources than their white p