and john kasich is back. is it that simple for harris? let donald by donald?e. we don't want the mikes cut off at the debates. give him a microphone and let him ramble on and aliens and spacecraft. >> very few people can go off on six or eight tangents and bring them back together. >> he's gaslighting us as he should. he can't articulate any policies so that is his biggest issue even with supporters, which is they don't really know what he stands for. he said one thing on tuesday, another on wednesday. >> governor, on the flip side while harris points out correctly inflation has come down, graham says just point out that 5% annualized inflation. that's what you're dealing with. but and you and i were talking about this a few minutes ago. if the economy is as a lot of people believe ultimately about how voters feel and not statistics, then who has the advantage? >> i think in that case, trump has the advantage because people know what he did. they actually, whether it's all accurate or not, they feel as though things were better then. and so her, the key for he

joining me now, john kasich, and charlie sykes.ans voted against their own funding bill. yesterday, an embarrassing blow to speaker johnson, 13 days before a potential government shutdown. what is the strategy now? what does he do next? >> i think, andrea, at the end of the day, they will figure out how to get this through. it's immigration. this was the big controversial surrounding whether people have to -- they can't vote if they are not citizens. they have to do all this checking. it falls into the immigrant issue. the rhetoric we see around immigration. i think donald trump and his band of followers think that immigration is a really powerful message. it is to the base. frankly, when donald trump is not talking about the economy and what biden and harris have done, they are losing. this is where they -- they have ratcheted up everything, the rhetoric, every angle because they think it will help them. it's just stirring up the base and not doing much to be able to change where other people are in terms of this election. >> vict

and, former governor john kasich is doing me right now. he is now a political analyst. you, governor. what did you think as you look back at that clip? when you look back at your experience with trump on the debate stage, can you get a sense of the tone he will take on tuesday when he is debating bp kamala harris? >> first of all, i just talked to a guy today who lives up in massachusetts. he said, john, i always like you because when you did not agree with things that were being said, you made it clear. you winced but you never lashed out and got personal. trump was a phenomenon at the time. the media promoted him by putting him on all the time. it was just a moment in time. thank goodness i did not get personal because getting personal does not make any sense. what do i think he will do? if he was smart -- you asked a lot of good questions to the previous guest. he will ask her how she will pay for these programs. he will ask her about flip- flops. whole number of them were published. what is he going to do? who knows what he is likely to do. as for her, she's got to

and former ohio republican governor and msnbc political analyst, john kasich.ge, we should remind you, with donald trump in 2016. i have to start with you governor, if you were coaching kamala harris, and say here's what you might not expect with donald trump or you don't see when you watch it on tv, is there something people should know about what it's like to be on that stage against him? >> yeah, you go on that stage, look, she has a tremendous opportunity to really make a difference in terms of where this race is going. if she can, number one, explain to people really who she is, what her policies are, and this is a little tricky part, to be also separate herself from joe biden, trump's going to be saying all the time, you know, you were with biden here, with biden there. she needs to say, look, you're not voting joe biden, i'm kamala harris, and i have my own ideas. if she can show a sense of gravity, a sense of real strength, and getting into some kind of a back and forth with donald trump is frankly, i think, a waste of time and a waste of the precious m

johnson, former senior adviser to president biden's 2020 campaign, and former republican governor john kasichnd msnbc political analyst. chuck, what was your take away from last night? >> it was the same thing we had for nine years. donald trump is the center of attention. donald trump made sure the debate was about donald trump. kamala harris made sure the debate was about donald trump, and there we are. it was, if you're the harris folks, they couldn't have scripted everything any better. you do wonder what would have happened if trump didn't sort of take all the bait, but we have been playing the what if trump acted like a normal republican candidate for years now. we know that that's never going to be the case. so it was astonishing, sort of almost how paint by numbers trump was on this. now, if you tuned into the debate, trying to learn more about kamala harris, i think you're left wanting, meaning you didn't get a lot of specifics out of here, but then again, at these debates because of how donald trump behaves, who he is, how he chases every squirrel, if you will, down holes, it's some

i remember tutoring john kasich when he was in the early 90's. have to care about it to learn the details. i'm finding a handful of members and actually understand how to do that. before they say look, we care about health care. >> i had that experience with the energy and commerce committee. senators and members and others, some of the policy issues, people would say why do we understand this? it is hard to understand. >> great discussion. i want to transition to some questions from the audience. things that we glanced by, but have not really addressed. one of the questions is if the area of cost is in pharmaceuticals, what do you think is the best in a value-based context? >> i do have some thoughts on that. a lot of people are focusing on inflation reduction act, a new program for medicare type negotiations. something that is growing over time. cms has gone through the first round of that, numbers resulting from that are out. love concerns from the industry side about this innovation in so forth. and on the others, is cms really going to do so

john kasich was a postman's father. can you please just tell us what you're going to do for the country. i love trump coming out and saying i'm rich and going to fix the country but the main reason, and if you read the book, by the way, i make it very clear that personally, trump is an awful, awful person. we are making an exception this one time because we need a wall on the border. host: do you know him at all? guest: i have met him in new york. i grew up in connecticut. i sort of followed him in the tabloids. was not a big fan, as i think very few people in connecticut are. not really our style. he was the only republican running in 2016. i sensed many of them -- sent many of them copies of my previous book which i highly recommend. apparently the voters will keep saying we want less immigration and the politicians will keep giving us more immigration. he was the only one in my very first tribute in miami with jorge ramos of univision. on my way to the miami airport the book came out the next day, i get a email from

john kasich was a postman's father. can you please just tell us what you're going to do for the country. i love trump coming out and saying i'm rich and going to fix the country but the main reason, and if you read the book, by the way, i make it very clear that personally, trump is an awful, awful person. we are making an exception this one time because we need a wall on the border. host: do you know him at all? guest: i have met him in new york. i grew up in connecticut. i sort of followed him in the tabloids. was not a big fan, as i think very few people in connecticut are. not really our style. he was the only republican running in 2016. i sensed many of them -- sent many of them copies of my previous book which i highly recommend. apparently the voters will keep saying we want less immigration and the politicians will keep giving us more immigration. he was the only one in my very first tribute in miami with jorge ramos of univision. on my way to the miami airport the book came out the next day, i get a email from

president what john kasich miller was just talking about to look out for the interest of americans.e is endorsed by foreigners who obviously want to defeat america or dislike the american tradition it sets off alarm bells for american voters, in other words, they think that she will not advocate for america's interest on the world stage that she is going to be easily manipulated by the global establishment that they will be able to take advantage of her just as they took advantage of biden the harris campaign should be embarrassed by these stories u.n. staffers and diplomatics supporting her and opposing trump. harris doesn't know what she is doing. she wears it all as a badge of honor and it's really a badge of disgrace. the irony is it was president trump who presided over a peaceful world it was president trump who had no military conflicts start on his watch. who got the abraham accords done and who was bringing the nations of the world together all because his firm pro-american approach to diplomacy was more evening tia than all of her type of globalist rhetoric. peace as reaga

with us, former republican government john kasich, an msnbc political analyst.re can you tell us about how trump's campaign is handling all of this? >> i think you put it the right way. we can tell everybody what we do know. a lot of facts can be true at one time. for donald trump, in just the last few minutes, he put out a new social media post that placed that blame on democrats saying in part, quote, because of this communist red rhetoric, the bullets are flying and it will only get worse. for donald trump we are told that his campaign schedule will continue to move forward as originally planned this week. that includes here from his mar-a-lago estate. he was going to take part in an x-spaces crypto event that he is launching before he goes to campaign rallies tomorrow in michigan. wednesday in new york. he will make a speech in washington, d.c. on thursday. then he will make his way to north carolina for a campaign rally on saturday. this for donald trump is different than how he responded in the immediate aftermath of the butler, pennsylvania assassination