i have known john katko for quite some time.sight at my agency at dhs. he was a great partner. we got a lot done in consequence. here's what i know. the form is a former organized crime prosecutor, a federal prosecutor. if you don't think he's seen some things and been attempted to be bullied by pretty scary people, you have another thing coming. he's not going to be intimidated by some of the members of the rep caucus. you know, he swore the same oath i did. he is going to country over party here, and he is very clear-eyed on what he's attempting to do here. >> i love that you made that correction, because that's the thread that i think you lose when you cover this -- one of the two governing parties in the country. one more question for you about congressman john katko. is he inclined to go find ten senate republicans to vote with him? >> i can think of two or three right off the bat. >> name names. >> well, i would love to hear what reverend steele has to say in terms of other members, but i think they're there to be had. [ l

john katko is the top republican on the homeland security committee and he was delegated by house republicankevin mccarthy to negotiate a bipartisan agreement for january six commission. congressman katko did that, kevin mccarthy told congressman katko exactly what the republicans wanted for that commission and the democrats gave congressman katko and kevin mccarthy every single thing they asked for, everything. and when kevin mccarthy got everything, he asked for, he publicly turned against the deal that he made through congressman katko. tonight's vote came on the day the fbi arrested six additional members of the trump mob who attacked the capital bringing the total to more than 425 arrests. and marking one of the busiest days in the investigation, today the fbi also released two new videos of capital rioters, during the insurrection, and is now seeking the public's help to identify them. in the first video, an unidentified member of the trump mob is shown attempting to rip off and officers gas mask, then picking up a tactical baton and hitting the officers with that. in the second video

these are very serious legislators, as is john katko. we need the commission because this kind of nonsense is going to continue to go on out in the states until we get the records. get the phone records. get the documents of how that rally went on, on january 6th. what was all the lead-up in planning? the speakers there at that rally, which were all the major trump allies, that was no accident. and i think democrats should have already done that themselves. they certainly -- phone records aren't partisan. hotel records. people coming in. all of that. used to be chief counsel on the government reform committee. that's a committee that can subpoena anything they want. very broad jurisdiction, as broad as any criminal jurisdiction. they can be deposing people. i would prefer the commission because it would be more nonpartisan but these kind of actions in the states show why we need this commission and why i was very pleased to see at least 35 republicans stand up and be counted and respond to john katko who just implored them, put politics

when they finally came to an agreement, kevin mccarthy knifed john katko in the back. support the bill and urged his caucus to do the same. congressman katko was left alone to defend himself, and the bill from the false attacks coming from within his own party. >> another charge i heard that the commission could be controlled by partisan staff hired unilaterally by the commission staff. that is not true. the commission creates the rules as a team. then they hire as a team. lastly, there has been some concerns, arguments made about the criminal investigations. make no mistake about it, this commission has nothing to do with a criminal investigation. this commission, by law, cannot in fear, interfere, with criminal investigations. >> today kevin mccarthy took the backstabbing even further calling the deal that congressman katko negotiated, for him, remember, the democrats commission. >> this pelosi commission that we tried to work on for quite some time, remember, i add pelosi for one on january 14th she spent four months playing politics with it. i think a pelosi commis

he just never told john katko that. and the democrats, made concession after concession, and john katko thought he had made a great, fair to use his words bipartisan deal. i am told by many republicans in the conference, do not underestimate how badly kevin mccarthy wants this commission to go away. one said to me, quote, kevin got too scared. he can't let it go any place. and it's very simple. he is scared of donald trump. he does not want to testify about that phone call on january 6. he does not want to testify on what happened in the weeks leading up to it, the conversations he had with trump, the meetings. and he also, i'm told, could be asked about conversations he's had with donald trump since january 6. that famous picture at mar-a-lago. what did they talk about at lunch? all the phone calls they've been having now. did donald trump along the way ever say to kevin mccarthy maybe you can clean up that phone call. we don't know, but knowing donald trump, it's within the realm of possibility. >> so gloria, what do

it's incredible. >> when we talk about john katko, i think the four months is really important. to the politics of this thing looked different for months ago. >> yeah. >> then they do now. there is this phenomenon we see with trump over and over again, where occasionally, the veil drops, the order a bit of all becomes apparent. that's the theme of the entire presidency, against this hollywood tape, and then the ultimate example of that was january 6th, when you saw mitch mcconnell really reacting in horror. you thought, this might be the moment where they are going to try to purchase man from the party to go in a different direction. if only for their own self interest. he just lost the election, and there's other people willing to take his place. the more time goes on, the more he's able to sort of grab the people within his ideological movement in this impenetrable alternative reality. the more people who want to -- have to buy into. it >> can't cause a different place. he's the one who nominated the stefanik for leadership all he's trying to pull off this bipartisan compromis

speaker pelosi was engaged, but the two principles john katko and myself were dedicated with our staffe right. because look, this is the citadel of democracy. the united states capital. we can't afford to have anyone overrun it, especially for certifying an election. chris, if this becomes the norm that means every election, every state representative election, if you disagree with it you just hear the place up. we're better than that. and so for more reasons than i can tell you, it's important that this commission moves forward. >> so i guess, my sense is obviously an expectation past next week. i think it's gonna pass whether you have republican votes are not because there would be every democrat would vote for it. as your expectation, you're going to have a big bipartisan consensus vote on this? you know, is that what you're thinking? because i'm thinking about what the message is going to send to the senate and how much pressure there's gonna be on them to act. >> well, i think the senators will have to act. the republicans that i've talked to, not a lot of them that indicate that

he not only tapped john katko to negotiate this deal. also -- his office was also in touch with katko. they gave him a whole list of things that katko was supposed to secure and katko was able to do it and still he -- there's no commission, i think, if they gave him 100% of what he wanted, he still wouldn't be able to support it and still maintain the support of trump. again, going back to what jackie said, he wants to be speaker. he needs trump to do it. >> that sounds like a bad-faith negotiation to me. i may be alone, but give him a list. go negotiate it and say, ah, forget about it. >> jackie? >> no, i was just going to add to rachael's good point about mccarthy potentially having testify. the only reason we know that trump spoke to mccarthy that day is because of congresswoman jaime herrera beutler and her account of what mccarthy told her. mccarthy has not been forthcoming. we know it through other people. and i don't think he really wants the opportunity at this point to tell his side of the story. >> thank you, ladies. rachael ba

if she has john katko as a republican, liz cheney, adam kinzinger, anthony gonzalez. >> former congressman denver riggleman. >> if she sticks to a very bipartisan select committee, that will take the wind out of the republican argument that this is partisan. >> we'll see what happens. jamie gangel, i wish we were covering a more pleasing adventurous story, but it is what it is. it's good to have you here, jamie. >>> coming up, more of my interview with the mother and partner of the late officer brian sicknick. >>> then, the cdc just updated their guidance for masks for children. will your kids have to mask while playing kickball? stay with us. cal: our confident forever plan is possible with a cfp® professional. a cfp® professional can help you build a complete financial plan. visit letsmakeaplan.org to find your cfp® professional. ♪ you love rich, delicious ice cream. but your stomach doesn't. that disagreement ends right now. lactaid ice cream is the creamy, real ice cream you love that will never mess with your stomach. lactaid ice cream. are you managing your diabetes... ...using finge

so we're looking for republicans who can just do their job the way that liz cheney and john katko and adam kinzinger and others have done. republicans voted to convict donald trump. there were senators who did the right thing so we know that they can. they should not cement the moral collapse of the republican party going away with donald trump's coverup because he is behind it. if he said i support the commission they would all be voting for it so they're behavesing like a religious cult. >> representative raskin, good to see you. thank you for joining us this morning. i will have much more on the fight for the commission. but i'll also talk about the status of the infrastructure negotiations and we'll dive into the fight to end poverty and the cease-fire in the middle east continues the hold for now. the role america should play in the region and thing on conflict. t's nice. can i use apple carplay to put some music on? sure, it's wireless. pick something we all like. ok. hold on. what's your buick's wi-fi password? “buickenvision2021.” oh, you should pick something stronger. that's

and i know john katko very well. he's a dear friend. i had even talked to john before hand.seemed like they got what they wanted. so i never like to be cautiously optimistic, but i thought they'd get over 30 votes. they did. i thought it could be as high as 50 but didn't get there. this was a political calculation. i find it interesting. i want to say this very quickly. the further this could be pushed out, it may be more detrimental. the issue is if donald trump is not going to let this go away, he's going to continue to push the stop the steal theatrics. we're talking about a political calculation on the gop side. we know that president trump isn't going to let stop the steal go. you'll see these odd challenges like the cyberninjas right down in arizona. you'll see this ridiculous push from conspiracy theories from months ago. i think we need an aggregator, a commission to look at all the data. and if i could humbly submit, let's just have two commissions. one commission that says, hey, we'll look at 1/6 and the other that looks at left and right ideologies and digital pol

he threw one of his own members under the bus, john katko who negotiated this deal in good faith and gotten rather significant concessions from the democrats, it was a compromise, so to have 35 members of the house vote, republicans vote against leadership was significant, however, having said that, we need to kind of step back a back and look at the fact that 175 republicans, about 84% of the republican conference voted to-- voted against a commission to look at the events of january 6th. this should have been an easy vote. this should have been noncontroversial to say we needed to, on a bipartisan basis, look at this. and yet, 85, 84% of the republican caucus voted against it and that is an even greater number than voted to overturn the election result on january 7th. so, if anything, you know-- >> we will leave this here and take you live now to that conversation with ohio congressman bob latta speaking at a telecom conference hosted by the free state foundation. we join it in progress. >> there are underserved areas and i'll touch on that. we as republicans on the energy and cong

benny thompson, the chairman negotiated with john katko, the republican ranking member of that committee and announced this on friday. i want to talk a little bit about what's going to be on this commission, this 9/11 style commission to investigate the insurrection. the commission would include a ten-member panel with half appointed by democratic congressional leaders including the chair, and half by republicans including the vice chair. the panel would have the power to issue subpoenas if they are signed off by both the chair and vice chair. the chair is going to be a democrat, the voice chair will be a republican. the commission would be tasked with issuing a final report by the end of this year making it a quick time line for the panel to put out its final product. you know, after the agreement was announced on friday, reporters spoke with house minority leader kevin mccarthy to get his take on the deal. he said he was still looking at it, but that is not stopping democrats from putting this to a vote this week. they plan to vote on creating this 9/11 style commission that would inve

a commission that -- the deal was negotiated by john katko using terms dictated to him by kevin mccarthynd steve scalise say they don't want their members, republicans to vote for it. what do you think is driving kevin mccarthy? >> speaker pelosi folded on a number of the issues. she wanted democrats to have more members on this commission than republicans and ultimately chairman of homeland security, benny thompson and john katko negotiated a deal where it's 50/50 like previous commissions of its type. it's interesting that mccarthy is not taking the "w." he's not taking the win here. and, look, i don't know what's motivating kevin mccarthy but just looking at it, just as an historical matter, kevin mccarthy and steve scalise and the new conference chair, elise stefanik, all three of them spread the big lie about the election. all three of them voted to disenfranchise voters after the insurrection. all three of them signed on to the deranged texas attorney general lawsuit that would have thrown out four states' electoral votes. so, i mean, they are one way or another, complicit in the b

it's incredible. >> when you talk about john katko, i think the four months is really important. the politics of this thing looked pretty different four months ago than they do now. there is this phenomenona we see with trump over and over again where occasionally the veil drops, the horror of it is over and over. it was a theme of his entire presidency, the theme of the "access hollywood" tape, and january 6 is when you saw mitch mcconnell really act in horror, and you thought this might be the moment that they're going to try to purge this man from the party and go their own direction. it's only for their own self-interest, right, because they just lost the election and there are other people with ambitions to take his place. but it just doesn't let up. the more time that goes by, the more he's able to sort of wrap, at least, the people within his idealogical movement in this impenetrable reality, and the people who want to be in that movement have to buy into it. >> katko was the one who nominated elise stefanik while he's trying to pull off this bipartisan compromise. michell

i give john katko a prop saying this is the right thick -- thing to do. >> we have an even number ofiously. democrats made, as you correctly point out, congressman, some significant concessions that katko and the republicans on the makeup of the commission. is the lesson that there is nothing to gain and trying to find common ground with the gop? >> no, i think hopefully the lesson is the opposite. you're getting 20 republicans. it puts pressure on the senate. there's an opportunity to work with republicans on different things. frankly, you don't want a congress that agrees on every issue. it upholds the institution of democracy and still talks to each other. politics was created to produce violence. it's boiled down to an argument and the steam is let out. unfortunately here these days we're fighting over masks, we're attacking each other outside of the halls. we have to get a grip on that and come into what is a good start. >> senior republicans saying they're concerned this new commission would harm their chances in the mid-term elections coming up in 2022. are most of your collea

. >>> congressman john katko, the ranking member on the committee. thank you for your time tonight. we got the gas flowing again what do you think should be done to make sure this does not happen again >> first of all, this seems to be an escalating series of attacks on the homeland here and as head of homeland security that's our job to figure out what to do first of all, this is probably the most significant ransomware attack on one of our critical infrastructures ever very significant attack. we've got to take a look at that and we've got to understand even though it wasn't an attack on the operation of the pipeline, so therefore they shut down the pipeline in an abundance of caution to make sure the ransomware attack didn't affect the operations of pipeliner act. i find it hard t but make no mistake about it, this was a major act from russia i find it hard to believe that the russian government, given the sophistication with ransomware attacks and knowledge of them, and happening from russia, didn't have tacit approval as we mentioned a few minutes ago. that's something we need

ideally democrats and perhaps the few republicans that said this was necessary, liz cheney and john katkohere to a special commission that could still be possible? >> i don't know. again, i guess i go with the idea of sunlight. if for some reason this legislation does not move forward, i hope leadership on both our side of the aisle and republican side of the aisle -- not mr. mccarthy, obviously, who is failing to lead, will demand we have a commission and make sure we know what happened here. >> congresswoman madeleine dean -- i think we just lost her at the very end of the interview there. but we appreciate her time. >>> we're now going to bring in mike memoli, white house correspondent here at nbc news. because we are waiting for president biden, who is set to make remarks in michigan, as he's out on the road trying to sell his american jobs plan, talking it seems about electric vehicles today. mike, what can you tell us about what we're about to hear from the president? >> kasie, first, i don't get to say this very often so i'm going to. the president is actually running a little earl

i applaud john katko for his good faith and bipartisan leadership to put this commission in place. i supported this effort in january and i support it today. and i ask my colleagues to do as well. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from mississippi is recognized. mr. thompson: i yield two minutes to the the gentleman from new jersey, mr. gottheimer. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from new jersey is recognized. mr. gottheimer: i rise as a member of the homeland security committee in strong support of h.r. 3233 to form a bipartisan independent commission to investigate the january 6 domestic terrorism attack. on january 6, the world watched an insurrection against our government to overturn the american people. i was here in the house chamber as doors were barricaded and members and staff were forced to evacuate. this resulted in the death of a capitol police officer. these thugs like the oath keepers and proud boys attempted an insurrection. in the end, they failed. we gathered back together here and electoral college was certified. true healing cannot come about until a

it is dangerous and so while he's trying to give john katko cover he is at the same time deep sixing of katok's work on the committee and might think it's all cynical to pretepid they want it and then trying to kill it but the fact is that we have enough adults in the house to get this done. the real question is what will happen in the senate? are those senators held accountable for their votes? because right now, right now we can get this going but we need those votes in the senate. >> we will stay on this as it moves into the senate. that's what happens next. we'll continue to call on both of you. thank you both for spending time with us. >>> up next for us, how the republicans who experienced january 6 for what it was turned out to vote to stop the commission to get to the bottom of the deadly insurrection. ectin i'm so glad you're ok, sgt. houston. this is sam with usaa. do you see the tow truck? yes, thank you, that was fast. sgt. houston never expected this to happen. or that her grandpa's dog tags would be left behind. but that one call got her a tow and rental... ...paid her

john katko has done a top job on the homeland security commission -- committee. he's a member of the problem solvers caucus and he has been working very hard the last number of weeks, five to six weeks on trying to craft a deal that really does make sense that will bring republican support to it. you will remember initially speaker pelosi said it was going to be a partisan commission, seven democrats, four republicans, virtually all of us balked at that. the democrats have moved. i've spoken to steny hoyer and others. this is an equal commission with subpoena power. both sides have to agree to it, there has to be a majority vote for the end of the year. not going to be current, sitting members of congress. i think it will be fair, get a good number of votes and i hope kevin mccarthy supports it. host: that from congressman fred upton. the commission will be front and center this week, we are getting a jump on that with your calls and comments on what you think we will learn. christina, the last point the congressman brought up, one of the looming questions is the

this agreement put together by bennie thompson and john katko, again, one of the questions is the role that house republican leader kevin mccarthy will play, including, will he be subpoenaed to offer his own testimony? chris wallace on fox news sunday with republican congresswomen liz cheney, who as you pointed out was ousted as the chair of the house gop conference. here's that exchange. >> you say that kevin mccarthy should testify but -- to what appears is a new commission to investigate the ryan on january 6 and should testify specifically about the conversation she had with the president that they where he reportedly called the president said you have to call this off and the president said, kevin, some people are more interested in the selection then you are. test in this election then you are. i asked congressman mccarthy about this a couple weeks ago. >> has a president ever reached out to you since the report came out to discuss what you and he talked about on the january 6 the phone call and as you say to him, i can't, because we are under oath? >> know, that never happened.

republican congressman john katko was tasked with working with democrats on this. >> the american people expect congress to put partisanship aside for the sake of our homeland security. >> reporter: and there is a growing effort to redefine what happened that day. it was just days ago when republican congressman andrew clyde of georgia compared the insurrection to a tourist visit. >> if you didn't know the tv footage was a video from january the 6th, you would actually think it was a normal tourist visit. >> reporter: but now, this image has resurfaced. that same congressman trying to barricade the doors to stop the mob from breaking in. >> all right, so, let's get right to rachel scott up on the hill tonight. we know lawmakers voting this evening. the house with enough votes to pass this, but in the senate, we know it will need 60 votes. so, rachel, as you always do, give us a reality check on this. is that likely? >> reporter: well, david, tonight, we are learning that some of the same republicans who voted to convict former president donald trump in the senate have said they are open

listen to john katko's d dismantling of objections. if they're blocked they are setting this country up for even greater problems to end up encouraging this kind of insurrectionist attitude in the politics. own it now or we'll reap the whirlwind later. >> rudy giuliani i know you both have a familiarity with him. his son andrew launching a bid for governor of new york. not the smoothest announcement. >> let me know when you're ready. which one is that? miss manhattan or lady liberty? lady liberty over there. everybody ready? >> what makes you qualified? >> i spent parts of five decades in politics or public service. >> how do you get -- >> how will it go over? >> parts of five decades. if we go back through it, my father's first campaign is 1989. parts of 32 years in politics. >> that is not a clip from last night's "saturday night live" but happened. that is andrew giuliani. can he do it? >> i'm sorry. my husband is breathing deeply. i'll jump in here. we both rorworking for rudy. he was a speechwriter. nobody is entitled to any posit

i applaud john katko for his good faith and bipartisan leadership to put this commission in place. i supported this effort in january and i support it today. and i ask my colleagues to do as well. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from mississippi is recognized. mr. thompson: i yield two minutes to the the gentleman from new jersey, mr. gottheimer. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from new jersey is recognized. mr. gottheimer: i rise as a member of the homeland security committee in strong support of h.r. 3233 to form a bipartisan independent commission to investigate the january 6 domestic terrorism attack. on january 6, the world watched an insurrection against our government to overturn the american people. i was here in the house chamber as doors were barricaded and members and staff were forced to evacuate. this resulted in the death of a capitol police officer. these thugs like the oath keepers and proud boys attempted an insurrection. in the end, they failed. we gathered back together here and electoral college was certified. true healing cannot come about until a

it was negotiate by john katko with a republican colleague. the question is if it's an issue like the vice chair doesn't have the ability to hire staff, as susan collins mentioned, that can be addressed. but are the republicans going to seriously fill bust their? if there is a majority, if it's seven republicans who voted t impeach plus all the democrats, that becomes a case for a filibuster reform to try to block after a attack on our capitol is so incredible, i hope reason might prevail. >> that's a long way down the road. >> i hear you. >> i don't disagree with you, but that is a long way down the road. if seven republicans in the senate cross over, that will be something. kirsten, a group of about 30 to 50 members of the capitol police sent a scathing letter to congress today saying in part, and i quote here, it is inconceivable that some of the members we protect would downplay the events of january 6. member safety was dependent on the heroic actions of uscp. it is a privileged assumption for members to have the point of view that it was

when john katko negotiated a bipartisan agreement about a january 6th commission, they turned on him and voted it down. 75 republicans says no to that commission in the house. >> now, without trying to be overly forward, i have to ask in the most basic terms, what does it say that republican leadership -- so much of the gop caucus is opposed to investigating what happened four months ago in washington, d.c., on capitol hill, and for some legislators that coward in fear then, which is understandable, but they now cast it as some kind of peaceful class trip or patriotic protest. what are you are thoughts on that? >> it is horrifying to watch. they obviously do not want to look in the mirror. they do not want to grapple with what happened. the worst attack on our capitol since 1812. this was a moment that the american people witnessed and that many of us lived through, sown by the division and hatred and white supremacy, encouraged by our own president of the united states, telling people to come to washington, perpetuating this big lie around our elections. and we saw the loss of life,

struggling with some of those explanations and rationale and i think at the end of the day what john katko negotiated as ranking member of homeland security was something that was negotiated in good faith to produce an objective bipartisan commission, and i hope we'll have some more of my colleagues supporting it as well. >> we know from congresswoman herrera butler, a cleaving yours, that kevin mccarthy had a very heated conversation with trump on that day. he might be subpoenaed or at least asked to testify before this commission. if he refuses to do so voluntarily, should he be subpoenaed. >> again, that's a -- there's a lot of people who want to lack past. this is one of the reasons why she wanted to stack the deck early on because there will be a lot of difficult things. it's food that we can process and actually resolve and mike sure this never happens again. >>p. you've been standing for truth and decency and accountability. is it lonely? >> reporter: i have my oath of office. i have my fidelity to the constitution, but honestly there's a lot of other folks who who are trying to do

john katko secured this deal with benny thompson, the chair of the commit and ever since house minority leader kevin mccarthy and whip steve scalise made it clear they don't want their members to support it it seems the republican members inclined to vote yes are starting to peel away and the big question is what happens when it comes to the senate side? it's a much higher bar. it would require ten republicans to vote yes. the fact that mitch mcconnell is now out saying he opposes the bill makes its pass and much more unlikely. some republicans are talking about making twheeks to the bill and then perhaps they will support it, but right now, jake, this bill seems as though it's in big trouble of being eventually fully passed into law. >> so ryan, what happens -- what happens next? if democrats get this through the house but they don't get ten republicans in the senate so they can't pass it through the senate. what will speaker pelosi do? >> well, she has options, jake, and at this point she's not saying specifically what her plans are, but take a listen to what she just told a group of

listen to republican co-author of the commission john katko. >> another charge i heard was that the commissionolled by partisan staff hired union laterally by the commission chair. that is simply not true. >> so who are you going to believe? republican senators looking for excuses or the republican congressman who actually wrote the bill? killing this bipartisan commission is like 9/11 -- like letting 9/11 truther des rail the 9/11 commission. that would have been unthinkable, but it's where we are right now. fear of the base that believes the big lie is causing u.s. senators to abandon their patriotic common sense. as senator joe manchin said, they do not believe the truth will set you free so they continue to live in fear. the conditions that created the attack on our capitol are still controlling the republican party. and so we must confront the fact that with a few honorable exceptions, bipartisanship itself has become a partisan virtue. make no mistake. this is a vote that will live in infamy, but we cannot let fear change the way we live. we've got to defend the integrity of our democrac

moderate republican representative john katko told a local newspaper in his state that he will back stefanik. this is a secret ballot vote so, why would katko do that? why take a position in a controversial matter when no one is going to be looking over your shoulder when you vote? the answer is self-preservation. donald trump is good for business if the business is the republican party. some might argue the opposite because the gop lost the house, the senate and the white house under his watch, but it's easy to forget that the party did do well in 2020. they gained seats in this house, held the senate to a draw, won more state legislators and picked up another gubernatorial mansion. i don't think it's a priority for these republicans to send trump back to the white house. they just don't want him to send them packing. let's go to the front lines now of this gaetz-green side show. cnn correspondent donie o'sullivan joins us live from the villages. donie, neither represents this particular area. they seem have been received well. >> yeah, michael. as you said, it's good for business. these ar

. >> congressman john katko the republican who worked with democrats to craft the bill, the commission bill, and the first place pleaded with his colleagues to back the investigations. >> how can we ensure that the capital, members of congress and our staff are secure from attacks? how do we ensure that this is a safer place for members of the capitol police force who risked their lives every day to protect us? these are only few of the many questions that need to be answered. the american people and the capitol police deserves answers. >> so having passed the house, this bill goes to the senate where ten republicans are needed to cross the aisle to make it a law. today, they're leader mitch mcconnell, made his opposition official. nbc news report he broke the news to colleagues in a meeting where kevin mccarthy, the other trump echo, happened to be a guess. later mcconnell went to the senate floor and made the case against a one six commission. >> after careful consideration, i've made the decision to oppose the house democrats proposal, for another commission to study the events of j

now he is thrown john katko under the bus, someone who negotiated this commission with his permission and with his demands. and once they were met. by the democrats, he panicked. so now a vote of conscience is turned into we're recommending, we're not ripping but we're recommending and we're watching you, that you vote against this. a bunch of republicans in the house are going to vote for it because he doesn't lead and they're not following. the problem for mccarthy tonight is once again when he throws his own members under the bus, he still gets thrown under the bus by president trump. some he helped, if he hung, with would become speaker next year. we know how loyal donald trump is so it's gonna be a very interesting day tomorrow. but this is a mess. and largely of kevin mccarthy's making. he does not want to testify about that phone call even though he told so many people about it and now it's part of the history but obviously he is doing his best to protect trump from the commission as well. >> phil, a.b. raises such a good point. it's possible to want something so badly that you

capital was the result of bipartisan negotiations between democrat bennie thompson and republican john katko. >> the american people. the capitol police deserve answers and action as soon as possible to ensure that nothing like this ever happens again. 5 deaths resulted from the attack, including the death of a capitol police officer. the family of another officer who later died by suicide supports the creation of the commission and said in a statement that every officer who worked that day as well as their families should have a better understanding of what happened. the proposal would appoint 5 democrats and 5 republicans to the commission and give them both subpoena power but house republican leader kevin mccarthy said he's against the commission's saying if it's created, it should also investigate violence during black lives matter protests. former president donald trump released a statement calling the proposal for a commission, a trap and on wednesday, republican senate leader mitch mcconnell said he's also opposed a major decision to oppose the house democrats landed and on balance pr

doors of the right now it is both the republican ranking member of the homeland security committee john katkohairman of the committee who hatched that deal and speaker nancy pelosi said she will bring it to the floor of the house next week. >> pelosi wanted there to be more democrats than republicans on this commission but there's an equal number, five and five. kevin mccarthy, the lead republican in the house, still has not approved of the deal. does that mean that there's a chance that it won't happen? >> to be clear, legislatively they don't need mccarthy's support to make this happen, but it would certainly make the process a whole lot easier. this isn't about pushing something through with only democratic support. they truly want this legislation to be bipartisan, and if kevin mccarthy supports it that means a lot more republicans will vote for it to happen and then in addition to that if mccarthy supports it it will be much easier to bring over the ten additional republicans necessary on the senate side. jake, kevin mccarthy for weeks has been complaining that he wants the scope to be m

you look at a guy, like john katko, a good, thoughtful member.al with benny thompson on the commission. only to have his legs taken out from under him by his own leadership. that sends a terrible signal, to members, that, you know, the leadership, you know, wants you to empower you to go out there and do your job. only -- and they are expecting a predetermined outcome, at the same time. you can't have both. and i think -- i think it has a chilling effect on a lot of these members, who are trying to work, in good faith, to have their leaders work against them. so they are not focused on policy, sadly, at the moment. they are focused on all these other things. and, you know, loyalty to a president -- a former president who may be indicted. and then what, don? what do they do if donald trump gets indicted? they still going to continue with this trump love and trump loyalty? i mean, at some point, you have to -- you have to cut bait. >> well, i'm sure he'll use it as a badge of honor. dana. where is the lie? >> uh-huh. yeah. i mean, i have -- you kno

i know john katko personally. claim going forward and i think we need to do it. i'm still not sure of the pushback, i know a lot of it has to do with the elections but the thing is, this is going to go into 2022 anyhow. there's no way around it. because what's going to happen is the messaging from the democrats will be that republicans don't want to get justice here, they don't want to look into the nuts and bolts of what happened on 1/6. why not pull the splinter now, get it done before the end of the year, have experts in there and if you want to know what i'm going to testify about is the data that we had identified the white nationalist groups and we saw the communications that were going on, unclassified communications. we've seen this. we have it mapped up in a social network analysis map. we have all the data. it's huge. and i think it's going to happen anyway so why not do this in a bipartisan way and let's go out there and make sure this never happens again. i think that is a common sense way of looking a

so the crux of what's going on here is you had kevin mccarthy deputize john katko to head up this commission. katko got basically everything mccarthy wanted. he went back to mccarthy and mccarthy threw him under the bus and said, no, i'm not going to support this. mccarthy is now trying to get republicans to stand with him against katko, and katko's proposal appears to have somewhere between 20 to 50 -- 30 to 40 is what we had in our "punch bowl" midday edition that just came out. it is a stunning rebuke of mccarthy, but as josh can talk a little more about it because he's a trumpologist of this, too, this is an attempt by mccarthy to make sure trump is happy and is not in the crosshair. they don't want to be talking about january 6th. they don't want to be talking about donald trump in a negative light. because as we all know, donald trump doesn't like to be talked about in a negative light, they want to focus on democrats. keep in mind here, two weeks, three weeks in a row now, republicans have been engaged in this really nasty inter-party food fight. last week it was liz cheney, this week

but at a tuesday hearing republican congressman john katko who negotiated the commission's terms defended scope and purpose. >> the american people expect congress to put partisanship aside for the sake of our homeland security. that is exactly what this bill does. >> mccarthy reportedly had a heated conversation with former president trump is the insurrection was unfolding and could be subfoenaed in the investigation. the house is scheduled to vote on the bill to create the commission to mark. >> our 4 zone forecast time as we take a look at the weather. obviously bone dry here. but that's not the case throughout. .p>> parts of the country know specially in texas from first chief meteorologist lawrence karnow gives us peek. but on their while it's been really rip in there tonight we look at some rain rates just about 3 inches in our that will cause some flash flooding. you see all the colors there behind me. yeah, those storm system is going to be rolling in continue to move through the houston area tonight reports of a couple possible tornadoes down in texas tonight as well. get your fo

john katko has done a remarkable job as the top republican on the homeland security committee. a member of the problem solvers caucus, of which i am a vice-chair, and he has been working very hard the last number of weeks, like five to six weeks, on trying to craft a deal that really does make sense, that we'll bring republican support to it. you remember that initially speaker pelosi said that it was going to be a partisan commission. it was going to be seven democrats, four republicans. virtually all of us balked at that, said that's not really fair. i talked to steny hoyer and others. this is an equal commission. they have subpoena power. it happens to be done before the end of the year. it's not going to be current sitting members of congress. so i think it's going to be fair. it should get a good number of votes. yes, i hope kevin mccarthy supports it. >> leader mccarthy spoke to then-president trump on january 6th as the rioters were inside the capitol. liz cheney said he should testify before the commission. do you agree? >> yeah. my sense is that that body, the ten peop

the gop rep john katko who cut the deal at mccarthy's behest, got him nearly everything he wanted, ah sides for subpoenas. so what is up with mccarthy? is he trying to cover up his own involvement in spreading the lie and his phone call with trump? is he afraid of testifying? i know i'm asking a lot of questions. you don't have a crystal ball. you can't read minds. maybe you have some insight into what's happening now on capitol hill. >> i think jamie hit on it, that what mccarthy is afraid of with this thing is that they will ask him to talk about his private conversation with trump. and then he is going to have to face up to the facts that things he said right after january 6 and then kind of changing the story and all that. and so i think that's what's behind it, don. but i want to go back to just one thing about january 6. and i still have that image in my mind about the break into the capitol through that window. and there is actually some members of the congress that have said oh, it's just a normal tourist visit. i guess they think that if they keep saying it never happened, i

so then that bill, that house bill negotiated by a democrat and republican, bennie thompson and john katkoo the senate. still concerns from mitch mcconnell and others that the bill is is not -- the commission is not bipartisan enough. so susan collins offered amendment to improve it make it better. that was good enough for rob portman. who said, okay, as long as we get a vote on the collins amendment i will vote to proceed with this. so that problem is really off the table. if you have a problem with how the commission is going to be made up, democrats basically acceded to every republican demand. so you can't with a straight face say well we thought the commission was going to be unfair. it doesn't make any sense. >> well, we heard from john thune that the concern was that this was going to spill over into 2022, electoral consequences for them. the do you think they're right, that this is -- there will be far fewer consequences for not endorsing the commission than there would be from getting the answers from this commission? >> well, first of all, i mean there is a way to have the commis

york republican and guy who accidentally pressed "2" for spanish and doesn't know how to go back, john katkoo is one of the 29 g.o.p. members of the bipartisan problem solvers caucus. i thought all members of the house were supposed to be in the "problem solvers" caucus. that's why we send them to washington. though i guess these days, a lot of them go down to mar-a-lago to meet with the "problem." mccarthy and scalise claim they oppose the bill because they wanted the commission not only to investigate the events of january 6, but also the black lives matter protests of last summer, antifa, and the death of capitol police officer william "billy" evans. okay, but it's the "commission on january 6. that's like being upset the movie "halloween" doesn't investigate what happened on arbor day. ( laughter ) i think you hug trees or don't hug trees. something with trees. one person i was surprised to learn voted "no" on the measure. certainly changes the meaning of this text from greg: "hey, bro, wanna hang this weekend?" ( laughter ) in the g.o.p. crazy-off, there's a new challenger throwing his

legislation, by the way, negotiated by a republican, john katko of new york.'s a complete abdication of his political responsibility, of his responsibility to history, and to every person in this country who needs to get to the bottom of what happened on january 6th. not only is it an abdication but he also threw his own person, congressman katko, a republican, who negotiated this in good faith, with democrats, so they could come up with a way to do an investigation that would be bipartisan. and in saying he doesn't support it, he's saying to republicans, okay, go out and say whatever you want about it and we know that, just last week, there were republicans who were out there saying that the insurrection was effectively a walk in the park by a bunch of tourists. it gives them permission to keep telling these lies. >> he's trying to, gloria, pretend in a way that this didn't happen. that it's not something that warrants really an investigation, which is what many republicans believe. he talks about there being misdirections. the misdirections are coming from h

gop representative john katko led those talks. today he called the deadly riots a completely preventible failure of security and said americans deserve answers. >> i urge all of you in the body, all of you on both sides, not just my side or your side, all of us, to set aside politics just this once, just this once i beg you, and pass this bill. >> now, even the family of a capitol police officer who committed suicide after january 6th called on congress to move forward. they said uncovering the facts will help our nation heal and may lessen the lingering emotional bitterness that has divided our country. a handful of republicans in the senate have signalled that they are open to the commission, bill cassidy, mitt romney, susan collins, but that's not enough to give democrats the 60 votes they need to pass this resolution. >> the only way to stop these lies is to respond with the truth, with facts, with an honest objective investigation of what happened that day. an independent commission can be the antidote to the poisonous mistru