so it was really recent actions on the part of the trump administration, john kelly calling undocumented immigrants uneducated and harm to american society, and jeff sessions arguing for the removal of children of undocumented immigrants. these are crises in our society that i wanted to respond to. >> before i play this john kelly sound bite to remind everybody exactly what you're talking about, just remind us of your story. obviously it's a long story, but you are a refugee and immigrant. you came with your family from vietnam, right? when was it? how difficult was it to assimilate back then? >> well, it was 1975. i was 4 years old and my parents were in their 40s. of course the vietnam war ended, and we were on the losing side, so we fled as refugees to the united states and ended up in a refugee camp in pennsylvania in 1975. and while it was a great gesture of hospitality on the part of the united states, what happened to us personally was that i was separated from my parents at 4 years of age in order to leave that refugee camp. and that's a very traumatic experience, and it stayed w

john kelly executes exactly what the president wants him to do. o do you believe, general kelly a mane regeneral or omarosa? >> four-star marine general john kelly how work with closely every day, who i trust with everything i've got. i believe him 100%. more will come out about this, the way she characterizes that meet something completely false. and we'll have more to say on that i'm sure in the coming days and weeks let's just pause for a second, see what we've got here. this is someone disgruntled, so self-serving, decided to put outfalls accusations, lies, already been proven to be contradictory in her own book. this is someone with zero credibility in this town. it is not unique in washington, d.c., for people to try to make money of deriding and disgracing donald trump. what is unique, someone like omarosa, goes on a tour, how wonderful he is is telling how much he has done for the african-american community. apparently telling the truth wasn't paying the bills. that is something i can't abide by. steve: she has tape. tape of her fired by jo

it ought to be john kelly. now we have john kelly in middle of a mess.h all due respect, no matter what your partisanship, ideology, this white house is not functioning well. what omarosa's book and these interviews reveal is that dysfunction. we ought to be focused mostly on that. what else she says about him, that will be debated a great deal in coming days and weeks. tapes and what tapes were heard and which were not. at the core of it is the revelation of dysfunction. >> thank you both. have a good sunday. >>> today is the one year mark of the charlottesville rally that left one person dead. in one hour a white supremacist rally will be leheld in counter the timers as well. you were saying last hour the energy was growing. there were many from different parties and different places. >> reporter: that's right. you mentioned this is the anniversary. one year ago today the mark in charlottes which i wiville that the murder of heather heyer. she is top of mind. you have communist calling for violent overthrow of the government. we have folks calling for

absoluly. >> transgression that john kelly -- >> absolutely. because in the same breath, rob porters accused of allegedly abusing his wives, and you know what kelly said, he's a man of great integrity. he's accusing me of integrity violations. i'm saying, please release it so the american people can see i worked my butt off to work for the country and they were looking for ways to frame me, th an tried to buy off my silence which is also unlawful. >> i want to get to that in a second. but the "daily beast" in 2017 -- >> are we really quoting the "daily beast" on "meet the press"? >> i want to ask you this. it says you were callemost despised person in the white house, that you'd hijack the white house meetings, you woulda di president trump with negative news coverage. could that be why john kelly fired you? >> at least they didn't call me the coffee girl. that's u an upgrade to theal go-to excuses they make when they mistreat people. people despise that i was close to the president that i had aco ss to him, that i talked him often and influenc

john kelly gave her an opportunity to walk away. with her dignity and respect. and how she pays him back is brings a personal recording device into the situation room in the white house. in massive violation of every security protocol. that should be the story right now. the idea that you were willing to go to that length, to do that now, who knows what else is happening? that in itself is a massive security violation. >> the me ask you this before we run out of time. she says after she was fired the trump campaign offered her money every month and she calls it hush money. >> is a reality, everyone that worked on the campaign and it was part of it, signed a nondisclosure agreement to begin with. it is standard operating procedure that she signed multiple times before. it is nothing more than the procedure she followed before. clearly violated peer but she left the white house praising the president. i think the campaign wanted to continue a relationship with her based on the comments she made leaving the white house. had they known that she could not be trusted,

-- this one with the chief of staff john kelly. >> let's not go down this road.this is non-negotiable. this has to do with some pretty serious integrity violations. >> reporter: the president is firing back for the former advisor, whom he has known for 15 years. >> she is a lowlife. >> reporter: he called her a lowlife and in a tweet called her wacky and said people in the white house hated her. she was vicious but not smart he said. manigault newman says she recorded the conversations to protect her credibility. nicole killian, cbs news, the white house. >> the white house has not commented on why john kelly held a personnel meeting inside one of the most sensitive rooms and the world. the biggest wildfire in california history... is >>> we are looking at cooler conditions thanks to onshore flows. a live look with our roof cam and you can see clouds still out there hanging around for us. let's talk about how cool it's going to be compared to yesterday afternoon. we are talking anywhere from 3 degrees to 8 degrees cooler than yesterday and that is all thanks to t

president and her having a conversation, a conversation she says came the day after chief of staff john kelly fired her. listen to this. >> omarosa, what's going on? i saw on the news that you are thinking about leaving. what happened? >> general kelly came to me and said that you guys wanted me to leave. >> no. nobody even told me about it. you know, they run a big operation, but i didn't know it. i didn't know that. damn it. i don't love you leaving at all. >> now as there are questions over how many tapes she has -- she says she has more we haven't heard -- an administration official says this is deepening the sense of paranoia in the white house. let's go to boris sanchez who joins me now. walk through the disconnect what the president is saying this morning and what we heard on that tape. >> reporter: yeah, poppy, omarosa tried to make the case president trump told her he had no idea she had been fired. she later went on to say in subsequent conversations, he acknowledged that he directed john kelly to dismiss her. she says that during the recording of the tape, she did not believe the p

she claims it was recorded one day after chief of staff john kelly ousted her. is. >> omarosa what's going on? i just saw on the news that you're thinking about leaving. what happened? >> general kelly -- general kelly came to me sen said that you guys wanted me to leave. >> no, nobody even told me about it. nobody -- they run a big operation but i didn't know it. i didn't know that. damn

audio she claims is the moment that chief of staff john kelly released her. so how will the president and the white house respond today. we are never in new jersey near his red dense. >> his torn is insisting this is all just a misunderstanding. arguing in the alternative. he says he never had a conversation with michael flin. meantime the white house is responding to claims that is responding to omarosa that could lead to serious charges. >> the president says he never told comey to go easy on flynn. instead of that, instead of this being a dispute, they can say it is perjury if they elect to believe comey instead of trump. >> just a month ago, giuliani said the opposite. he says -- >> he says he hook it as direction. >> comey always insisted that trump asked him to take it easy on flynn and that he has the notes to prove it. >> he has since pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi. giuliani later backtracking saying he was repeating comey's words, not the presidents. >> the conversation never took place, if it did, it was not illegal to say that. >> all of this a

i don't know why john kelly brought her in there. sometimes you think about it, well, you think of it as the most secure place. he may have thought this is a sensitive conversation. we'll do it in there. the only time anyone took me in there privately was to talk about something like north korea or strategy toward terrorism, russia, china, something like that. when it was a sensitive issue and they wanted complete privacy and security. that may have been what motivated him, but it's unusual. >> omarosa says donald trump, the president, takes recordings of people. listen to what she told my colleagues just last hour. >> do you think the president is taping people? >> oh, absolutely. in fact, the president talked often as you'll see about how important it was to tape your enemies. >> elie, what's your reaction to that? >> it's interesting. it will depend on the facts and circumstances. if the president was taping and knew and consented he was taping and the conversations were happening in a one-party state like washington, d.c., i don'

omarosa manigault union revealed she made a secret tape when she was fired by chief of staff john kelly. the tape was recorded in the situation room, which is raising questions this morning. kelly o'donnell has details on the fallout. >> reporter: omarosa manigault union is recasting herself from defender to adversary. >> he is truly a racist. >> reporter: her own conduct and credibility are also under scrutiny after she secretly taped john kelly inside the highly secure situation room. >> this is a white house where everybody lies. the president lies to the american people. sarah huckabee stands in front of the country and lies every single day. you have to have your own back. >> reporter: for 15 years -- >> omarosa is a very nice person. >> reporter: her fame and career were intertwined with donald trump. now she expresses regret. >> it is hindsight, but i will say this to you, i was come police -- complicit. >> reporter: she learned about a tape where mr. trump used the n-word during the production of the apprentice, but she had not heard it herself. she told "meet the press" she did

she recorded her own firing by chief of staff john kelly.

john kelly is still alive and walking around howie: anyone following the media coverage of john kellyould have been convinced the white house chief of staff was toast, he was history. i am told the president asked kelly what they were going to do about the stories and asked if he would stay on for the rest of the first term and he said yes. what does that say about this media drum beat based on named sources. the a.p., it's leading trump staffers to believe kelly is work on borrowed time. abc, the president has once again started contemplating his possible replacements. >> a source telling cnn the president is talking to friends about possible replacements for john kelly. >> white house chief of staff john kelly may be ready to leave his job very soon. >> it could come this week or the mid-july trip to europe. >> the reports he was likely to leave by july 31. and that he repeatedly referred to trump as an idiot. >> he'll be leaving by his own choice or by president trump deciding he had enough. howie: trump's decision to keep kelly doesn't knock down stories that kelly has vented to o

wasn't just -- >> maybe i misunderstood. >> right. >> i thought she had said it was omarosa and john kelly for about an hour and 15 minutes and that's when others joined. am i mistaken, the lawyers were there the whole time? >> based on the recording account, general kelly asks omarosa manigault newman's assistant to leave but refers to the lawyers in the room. i think lawyers were there. i'm not an independent person on this. the situation room is a mult multi-room space in the white house. what is interesting about it is, of course, their conversation was it appears limited to her employment. you're in an environment where there are potentially national security ush use which is a surprise that she would bring the device in and a surprise that he would hold the meeting there. his calendar, multi-room situation, no pun intended, in the white house. i think those details will be borne out about who was in the room or who was not. clearly she takes it as a threat that he is talking about her reputation, wanting to shut it down in terms of any interaction between general kelly and omarosa at

you know that saddens me i got a lot of respect for john kelly but i think he made a mistake in taking that job the word in washington and around the white house you talk to i'm not talking about the reporters you talk to senior staff at the white house they'll tell us as they told me that john kelly basically is chief of staff in name only nobody takes him seriously the president doesn't consult them the president doesn't include him in a lot of meetings i think of john kelly again whom i admire had any of self-respect he would step down he's been there a year now instead he accepted this step reportedly and he told the staff that the president asked him to stay through two thousand and twenty and he said he would do it i don't know why because he is impotent right now in the job of chief of staff donald trump is his own chief of staff and he's his own communications director what bill is the democratic party's message going into the meds midterms i think is twofold message one is you can't help but the message be if you're not don't like what donald trump is doing put us in charge of

of course no one in the trump white houseworks for john kelly, no one. john kelly is not allowed to hire or fire anyone without donald trump's approval. because he is an incompetent staff, the white house has become more out of control. the president, who has never found the time to explain how he will mastermind the reuniting of the children who he separated from their parents at their southern border has found plenty of time to attack omarosa on twitter. and one of his tweets he said, he knows it is not presidential to be attacking omarosa, but he doesn't seem to realize that it was not presidential to hire her. no other white house staffer in history has ever written a m memoire because people like omarosa could never get in the door of any other white house. while other teams searched for excellence to staff the white house, it seems the trump transition team was searching for nothing but incompetence. so omarosa went to work in the white house, along with people like steven miller. steven miller is one of the biggest cheerleaders of ripping babies o

finally, i've asked general john kelly, secretary james mattis and ambassador john bolton to represent my administration that

she claims it was recorded one day after chief of staff john kelly ousted her. listen to this. >> omarosa what's going on? i just saw on the news that you're thinking about leaving. what happened? >> general kelly -- general kelly came to me sen said that you guys wanted me to leave. >> no, nobody even told me about it. nobody -- they run a big operation but i didn't know it. i didn't know that. damn it, i don't love you leaving at all. >> already released the recording of the conversation she had with general kelly, part of the conversation in the situation room. that when it came out over the weekend sparked all sorts of questions and raised national security concerns and raised a lot more credibility questions. let's go to boris sanchez who joins us with more. boris, covering the white house and knowing the background sort of her tenure while she was serving in the white house and controversy that swirled after she left, walk us through what we're learning this morning. >> reporter: hey, good morning, poppy. this newly released audio from omarosa indicates th

hard to imagine john kellie fits into the beef feud -- john kelly -- here's the audio. >> is the president aware of what's going on? >> don't go down the road. this is a non-negotiable discussion. this has to do with serious integrity violations. i'll let it go at that. the staff and everyone on the staff works for me, not the president. after your departure i'll in form him if he gets interested on where you may be. >> is that part real? >> they sound like they're in bed together. >> but they're not, allegedly in the situation room. >> allegedly. the problem is i think what's happening right now is everything is becoming an allegedly. part of the deterioration that the trump administration has created where you don't trust anything. i think the entire country is in a state of paranoia. what if this is real? i have no idea. >> the idea is john kelly, based on what we know, there are facts, she was removed from the white house and government payroll and no longer draw as check and doesn't go there everyday and john kelly was the one that removed here. this is what john kelly the chief of st

they personally complained to john kelly. when she wasn't abusing staffers, she was misusing government resources. for example, using the white house car service as her personal over so she could go to restaurants and sporting events. >> steve: the other thing that striking, one after another, the people who she cites in the book to back up her claims came out and said that is not true. there's yourself, jason, frank, saying that they have a story that's not true. it's just one after another. i want to bring in katie. what you think? >> i want to know what her endgame is? didn't think that she was secretly record john kelly and who knows how many other people does not bode well for her future employment prospects. it's burning bridges in the worst possible way. in terms of opportunism, were at a place where the left is not going to take her back. they believe she was crucial and getting president trump elected and will not forgive her for that. here she is now, not taking the out that john kelly gave her by saying she could a

and you're right about john kelly. the fact that he is the mastermind and the president is a puppet, i mean, weren't there reports that john kelly wanted to leave because he couldn't control the white house? i mean, so it's sort of undercuts the narrative about omarosa trying to sell her books with this. >> said the same thing about steve bannon. >> but astonishing that a recording device was brought in there and she was recording. >> melissa: here's the thing that is interesting. they keep drawing the parallels between people that are first trump supporters. you go to chris collins, you know, who was just indicted for insider trading. and they try to connect it to the president and say he had bad judgment. you have to remember, he's trying to reward loyalty of his early supporters and the only people that supported him early on were people that were way out on the fringe who were betting on a long shot because they were already disenfranchised from things that were going on and he tried to repay their loyalty but now

but having said that, you know, i have been very tough on john kelly. i don't think there is much substance to these tapes, quite frankly. i don't think kelly said anything that was terribly wrong. >> is it a normal procedure to fire somebody in the situation room? >> no. i think he was probably looking for a private place to do it. he didn't realize he was being taped. so that blew up in his face. having said that, i think the only thing kelly did wrong here was really not having fired omarosa back on day one. i think she probably should have been shown the exit with scaramucci during the first week. in the highest levels of the white house they were expecting she would flunk her fbi test. that didn't happen. but the real mystery is why john kelly didn't fire her a long time ago in a white house full of people who are unqualified. she was in her own league. she was nothing but trouble. it's kind of a surprise she lasted as long as she did. >> jeff, any new protocols going forward at the white house? are they going to start taking phones before people en

john kelly and i sat down in the situation room.d quiet room in the white house and had a candid conversation. >> experts are torn on whether recording conversations in the situation room is illegal but it's a clear violation of national security violations. on the today show she said he is not worried about the fallout. >> i have protections. the moment i decided to blow the whistle on a lot of corruption in the white house, protections were afforded to me. the things that general kelly is doing in this white house should concern all americans. >> president trump said i know it's not presidential to take on a low-life like omarosa, but this is a modern-day form of communication and i know the fake news will work over time to make wacky omarosa look legitimate." omarosa claims do have tapes of ivanka and trump and jared kushner. >> martha: thanks. governor mike huckabee joins now. you know a lot of people involved in all of this. does any of this surprise you? when you listen to the tape with john kelly, is there anything surprising

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at issue is john kelly's secret recording. >> if we make this a friendly departure, you can look at your time here in the white house as a year of service to the nation. and then you can go on without any type of difficulty in the future relative to your reputation. >> can i ask you a couple questions? is the president aware -- >> let's not go down the road. this is a non-negotiable discussion. >> i don't want to negotiate. this is my departure, i want an opportunity to understand -- >> no, we can talk another time. this has to do with serious integrity violations. so i'll let it go at that. so the staff and everyone on the

in a tweet this morning he called omarosa a crazed lowlife and then congratulated john kelly for firing her and then referred to her as that dog. >> now the president comparing omarosa, a woman he hired a year ago and kept in a high profile, high-paying job, now referring to her as an animal. in effect, trying to prove he didn't use a racist slur by

. >>> a new audio recording omarosa says is of white house chief of staff john kelly threatening her. >>> plus, the protests about to get under way in washington after several demonstrations in charlottesville. what's being done to keep things from getting out of hand. >>> we'll start with new reaction from omarosa manigault-n manigault-newman about explosive claims she's making about president trump including allegations that a tape exists where the president uses the "n" word. here's what she told chuck todd in an interview on "meet the press" earlier. >> after i closed the book i had an opportunity to go out to los angeles and sit down with the person who has a copy of the table and i heard his voice. >> you have heard the tape? >> i have heard the tape. >> since publication of this book? >> absolutely. >> so you know it exists? >> when he talks that way, it confirmed he is truly a racist. >> omarosa also defending the timing of her new book. >> what i know now i didn't have the bennet in 2003 or 2004 or 2010 and so, yes, it's hindsight but i will say this to you -- i was complicit

the other john kelly, or you're the real john kelly. someone is the real john kelly.ou were testifying yesterday and we were all watching as you were making clear that what we're seeing in the social media space is from russia, because there's been so much quickbblin and from the white house, from the first national security meeting last friday, less than an hour, that was devoted to this and the statement afterwards did not even acknowledge that russia was the main actor here. but dan coats has acknowledged that. >> yes. it's clearly russia. there's a lot of data from the internet research agency that's making its way into the public and a lot of folks are into it, including us, and it's pretty incontrovertible. >> what are you seeing that shows this is fancy bear or whatever? >> fancy bear is a middle government part of the russian government. this is from a contract shop that was for years conditioning the russian public and most of their output was actually russian language output for the russian public. at some point they got the contract to boot up their america

omarosa releasing what she says is a secret reporting of john kelly firing her. a secret recording, not just made in the white house, but she says recorded in the white house situation room, the safe room where the most sensitive of sensitive national security issues are discussed. for perspective, omarosa says she recorded this conversation in the same room where this iconic photograph was taken of president obama overseeing the raid to take out bin laden, where some of the most crucial american decisions have been made. in that same room, omarosa says this happened. >> it's important to understand if we make this a friendly departure, we can all be -- you can look at your time here in white house as a year of service to the nation and then you can go on without any type of difficulty in the future relative to your reputation. >> in response to that, the president called omarosa a low life over the weekend and today says this. wacky omarosa who got fired three times now got fired for the last time. she never made it, never will. he calls her vicious and not smar

you talk about john kelly.th the firing, with being pulled into the situation room in order for john kelly to fire you. you write a lot about him. do you think john kelly's racist? >> oh, yeah, i mean, john kelly thought the civil war was about compromise. it wasn't about compromise, general john kelly, it was about slavery. >> you also write john kelly never met with you, he never had any time of day for you, but you also write at the time he was firing you believed it was because somehow he knew that you knew there was an n-word tape from donald trump's "apprentice "request the days. how would he know that if he didn't even interact with you? >> there's a whole e-mail chain. you're the first one to ask me, joy, and i'm glad you asked. as i stated, everything in my book can be corroborated, documented and verified. on that day, the first e-mail is hope hicks. the e-mail will become public because they're government e-mails. i sent an e-mail to hope explaining to her i was concerned about the chatter i was hear

omarosa manigault newman revealed that she made a secret tape when she was firedy chief of staff john kelly. wll, that audio was recorded in the situation rooch is raising some questions this morning. nbc's kelly o'donnell has details on the fallout. >> hi. >> reporter: omarosa manigau newman is recasting herself from long-time trumpo defender outspoken adversary. >> he is truly aracist. >> reporter: at her own conduct and credibility are also under tescrutiny. afr she secretly taped white house chief of staff john kelly insidehe highly secure situation room. >> this is a white houseyb wher evy lies. the president lies to the american people. sarah huckabee stands in front of the country and lies every day. you have to have your own back. >>eporter: for 15 years. >> omarosa is a nice person. >> reporter: herame and hr career were intertwined with donald trump. now she expresses regret. >> it is hindsight, but i will say this to you. i was complicit witte this whi house deceiving this nation. >> reporter: manigault newman writes she learned about a tape where mr. trump used the "n" word duri

claiming it's from the moment she was fired by john kelly. she says kelly threatened her, and she is also doubling down on claims she heard audio of the president using the "n"-word. the white house launching a full counterattack. tara palmeri leads us off. >> reporter: tonight, omarosa revealing what she says are secret recordings she claims she made inside the white house situation room when chief of staff john kelly fired her. >> i think it's important to understand that if we make this a friendly departure, we can all be -- you know, you can look at your time here in the white house as a year of service to the nation. >> reporter: omarosa saying she felt threatened by kelly during the closed door meeting. >> and then you can go on without any type of difficulty in the future relative to your reputation. >> because this is a white house where everybody lies. the president lies to the american people. >> reporter: in the former reality star's new book, "unhinged," she calls president trump a racist, misogynist, and bigot. the white house fir

omarosa manigault newman revealed she made a secret tape when she was fired by john kelly. >> it is raising questions this morning. nbc's kelly o'donnell has details on the fallout. >> hi. >> reporter: only only marosa m newman is recasting herself from defender to speaking out. >> he is a racist. >> reporter: after she secretly taped white house chief of staff john kelly inside the highly secure situation room. >> this is a white house where everybody lies. the president lies to the american people. sarah stands in front of the people and lies. you have to have your own back. >> for 15 years. >> omarosa is a nice person. >> reporter: her fame and career were intertwined with donald trump. now she expresses regret. >> it is hindsight, but i will say this to you. i was complicit with this white house deceiving this nation. >> reporter: manigault newman writes she learned about a tape where mr. trump used the "n" word during production of the apprentice, but that she had not heard it herself. she told "meet the press" she did, but only after her book was completed. >> i heard his voice as cle

. >> and she hasec ading of her firing by john kelly. >> is the president aware of this? >> don't do -- let's not go down the road. this is a nonnegotiable discussion. is this a rare looknside of the trump white house or the work of a disgruntled employee firing?ed by her this morning my interview with omarosa. >>> plus, midtermpreview -- what that neck and neck special election in a red district in ohio tells us about possible blue wave republicans may be facing in november. i talk with ohio's republican governor john kasich, who may take on president trump in 2020. joining me for insight and analysis arehi nbc news wte house correspondent kristen welkerw "york times" columnist david brooks, former democratic congresswoman donna edwards, and former republicanr go of north carolina, pat mccrory. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the pss." >>> good sunday e rning. s a reality tv star who wound up working in a reality ti star's house. by her own admission, omarosa and donald trump usedach other. writes,new book, omarosa "donald and i had a symbiotic relationship as i've said. i

to do some pretty drastic things, but we're going to get it. >> the white house chief of staff john kellyeking out his position until 2020 according to sources that spoke to the "wall street journal." kelly accepted the ongoing role at president trump's personal request. he let staff know on monday which marked his one-year i was in in the role, white house officials caution kelly's claims saying unforeseen circumstances could uproot those plans. the four star general has had a tumultuous position at times, most notably getened flatt-- ge flattened in the trial and going without a chief of staff if he were to leave. john kelly's tenure as chief of staff would be among the longest in history if he stays on the board through 2020, guys. >> interesting, that is a long time away, especially in this white house. joining us again, white house reporter for political reporter andrew restucian, let's talk about chief kelly. this is a man bounced around for a few weeks as being checked out, so to speak. what can we see in terms of staffing personnel at the white house as this die nam wick john kell

. >> and now she's releasing what she says is a secret recording of white house chief of staff john kelly firing her. she says the recording was made in the situation room, which is supposed to be one of the most security places on earth. here's a portion of that recording. >> can i ask you a couple of questions? is the president aware -- >> let's not go down this road. this is nonnegotiable discussion. >> i've never had a chance to talk to you. this is my departure. i'd at least like an opportunity to understand. >> we can talk another time. this has to do with some pretty serious integrity violations. everyone on the staff works for me not the president. >> the white house says the recording shows a disregard for national security. but omarosa told nbc news she did it to protect herself. >> as you'll see in unhinged i protected myself. the president lies to the american people, sarah huckabee stands in front of the american people and lies every single day. otherwise you'll look back and you'll see 17 knives in your back. >> we're also hearing from the president's attorney speaking out

she has released a tape with john kelly, as well. the president is now responding tonight, and we ask here, could omarosa be in legal jeopardy for those recordings? here's abc's chief white house jonathan karl. >> reporter: she was one of the very few white house aides close to president trump before he got into politics. now, he's calling her "wacky omarosa," tweeting, "people in the white house hated her. she was vicious, but not smart." her betrayal is so thorough, she surreptitiously taped her own firing, sneaking a recording device into the situation room. >> hi. >> i'm only going to stay for a couple of minutes. these are lawyers. we're going to talk to you about leaving the white house. >> reporter: on the recording, which she released to nbc news, chief of staff john kelly told her she was being fired for, quote, "integrity issues." >> there are pretty significant legal issues that we hope don't develop into something that -- that'll make it ugly for you. but i think it's important to understand that if we make this a friendl

i think john kelly stays as long as john kelly wants to stay. that has been a clear directive from the president of the united states. john kelly has been there for a year. the president made a statement ago that he asked the general to stay on through the 2020 election. historically speaking, it is unlikely to occur based on what the traditional model of a chief of staff is in the white house. traditionally a chief of. some longer, some shorter, but it is traditionally 18 months because it is a daunting, amazingly difficult job. i think general kelly will stay as long as he wants to. i don't know if you will stay through 2020, but that will be his decision. the 2020 election, you will see a natural progression of individuals who will leave. i look across the cabinet and i think i am large members of the cabinet are happy in their position. i mean that. acosta, or anythe cos of those will be leaving soon. prior to the 2020 election you will see one or two cabinet members that will depart as a matter of course. i don't want to prognosticate as wh

tamara, just this last week we've heard stories about how the president i can in order the advice of john kelly, of sarah huckabee sanders to issue a proper response to the passing of john mccain. subsequently he did it later. but it really brings up the question of where do the guardrails exist in the white house? there is some talk that ivanka and jared might have been behind the acceleration of don mcgahn's demise. we're not sure what john kelly is doing exactly in the white house. he's not keeping the president out of trouble. so there is definitely some sense that there is no supervision there. >> and when john kelly came in, he said he was going to be the chief of the staff, and at this point, it's not clear, really, who he's supervising. don mcgahn as the white house counsel, he was never the president's lawyer. he represents the presidency. and at times, what was best for the presidency isn't what president trump wanted, which led to sort of a contentious relationship, because out in the outside world, when president trump was businessman trump, he had lawyers who said yes. and don mcga

it today, she released a recording she secretly took inside the situation room of chief of staff john kelly her. let's listen. >> can i ask you a couple of questions, does the president -- is the president aware of this? >> let's not go down the road. this is a nonnegotiable discussion. >> i don't want to negotiate, i never had a chance to talk to you, general kelly. this is my departure, i would like to have an opportunity to understand -- >> we can talk another time. this has to do with some pretty serious integrity violations. so let it go at that. so the staff and everyone on the staff works for me, not the president. >> boris, is the white house responding? >> they are, ana. this is another scandalous aspect to unhinge omarosa's tell all book set to be released shortly. the white house essentially arguing that omarosa is not a credible source. they write, quote, the very idea that a staff member would sneak a recording device into the white house situation room shows a blatant disregard for a national security and then to brag about it on national television further proves the lack of