now this is te place that the former white house chief of staff for president trump, john kelly, hasow joined the board of its owner. you mentioned in your book the conflict of interest. >> john kelly, before he went to the administration, was on the board and paid. within a few exempt joining the administration, he was advocating for child separation and detention -- which would be of great profit to this for-profit prison. they are paid on a noncompete 750 dollars per day per child. it is a vast amount of money. it is corrupt because it basically incentivizes the imprisonment of children rather than their movement -- john amy: each child, $750 a day? >> $750 a day. amy: and their stopping kids from going to be with family or other supervisors that family has approved. >> them no incentive to have the case workers or the field workers to set up the transition to a family setting for these children. this is something ugly and terrible. and then after john kelly left the administration, they put him right back on the board in a paid board position for thisurn, which operates for-profi

if you're someone like john kelly, you've tried to say, you know, john kelly, the former white house of staff -- you've tried to say, well, i'm only there for the immigration policy or gary cohen, i'm only there for the economic policy. and you try to dissociate yourself from responsibility of all of the other parts of what donald trump is, what he represents, what he brings to our country every single day -- the pain that he's wrought on communities -- you can't divorce yourself from the different elements of donald trump like that. you can't say i'm here for this and i'm not here for that. you have to take it all. and i call it the parasite presidency. because there are so many people like that and people in business and people in congress who have said, well, i don't want to be responsible for his racist rhetoric, but i like the fact that he's naming judges and i like the fact that he's rolling back regulation or i like his tax policy. you can't have it both ways. people are going to talk with their pocketbooks and their wallets. that's what they're doing and i think it's fair gam

even though john kelly could be criticized for maybe not challenging the president enough. that's where i think the staff and the country finds themselves. the president without the guard rails that he initially had that did serve to curb some of his indistinct, his public indistinct and comments. now you have a situation where the president doesn't have a filter. and then you have this kind of fear factor of the economy. what was sort of different about the president -- if you think back to his inaugural speech. he was clear about the kind of economy that he wanted to see, right. he talked about sort of the tombstones of all of the shuttered factories across the country. and he really targeted the manufacturing sector as something he would revive, the steel industry, the coal industry. if you look at the data here about the manufacturing jobs they're not coming back. and you see some layoffs in the big industries steel workers, for instance, coal still struggling. in that way if you think about the states, places like pennsylvania, places like wisconsin, like ohio and mich

he was wrong. >> i think we recall that john kelly at one point called him an idiot. >> i think it was worse than that. >> it may be worse. rick tilerks thank you. jason johnson, you're back later in the hour. >>> jill biden making the argument for her husband. you may not like him, but here's why you should vote for him anyway. to open an account. at fidelity those zeros really add up. ♪ maybe i'll win ♪ saved by zero wayfair's got your perfect mattress. whether you're looking for a top-brand at a great price. ready to upgrade. moving in. moving on up. or making big moves. deliveries ship free and come with a 100-night free trial. no matter your budget. or your sleep style. we have quality options for everyone. so search and shop. save and snooze. and rest easy, knowing that we've got your back. literally. that's what you get, when you've got wayfair. so shop now. >>> we've got this really interesting, brand-new 2020 poll. the big story may be the tightening race for second place. even though the strongest showing is from the front-runner. joe biden with a growing ed

hi, everybody, my name is john kelly.of you probably saw we on the last talk, if you didn't, i'm a researcher and clinician from mass general hospital and harvard medical school in boston. i'm very happy to be here. paul has tasked me with a moderator role this morning and i will chime in as well when i feel appropriate, but we've got such an expert, top expert panel here, i'm just honored to be on the stage with the experts in the field of addiction. so what i thought we'd do to begin with, and i want to get your questions. i think, you know, many ways, that you want to get, what's on your mind, you want your questions asked. i want to make sure we leave enough time to get plenty of your thoughts and questions on what is going on what we need to do more research on and the pressing issues you're facing, but what i've suggested to the panel to begin with is for each panel member to come up and talk for five to seven minutes and tell you who they are and give one or two new, new and newsworthy tidbits on research and addic

and we've seen it time and again where john kelly, the four-star general, the disciplinarian, was not able to moderate trump. ivanka and jared who billed themselves as calming influences on the president, i believe they're in new jersey now, but they, too, are unable to moderate the president. i think he's up there, he was initially over the weekend, with his new press secretary, stephanie grisham, who is close to the president, close to the first lady. but it's doubtful she'd be able to moderate him. i think the reality is if he sees something on television tomorrow that gets him angry, that stokes one of these grievances that he has, we'll all hear about it when our phone buzzes in the tweetlands. >> michelle, the occasion we marked today, charlottesville, the occasion you spoke passionately about, silence on the white house from that. surprise or no? >> no surprise whatsoever. taking a look again and thinking about the video clip that you played earlier, the president didn't deal with charlottesville in a humane way whatsoever. to go out and speak and say that there were good peopl

early on he was trying to get former dhs john kelly to do mass deportations and kelly pushed back.in the story a senior official in the government said he's singularly focused on how to get people out of this country. that's what an mates his thinking, proposals, ideas and what he does every day. >> josh dawesey, a fascinating profile. thank you for sharing it with us. >> thank you for having me. >> it's a great profile. it really is. all right. elizabeth warren's past claims to native american heritage once threatened to up end her campaign. now she's trying to make amends. what warren is doing to rebuild her relationship with the community. that's next. maria ramirez? hi. maria ramirez! mom! maria! maria ramirez... mcdonald's is committing 150 million dollars in tuition assistance, education, and career advising programs... prof: maria ramirez mom and dad: maria ramirez!!! to help more employees achieve their dreams. of course he's got plans. with labor day deals starting from 20% off, bookers are leaving summer with no regrets. it's labor day! book a place to stay and be a booke

went to see president trump about this case and actually faced a lot of pushback from don mcgahn, john kellythen chief of staff and rob kelly who were very worried about the messaging. because the case was so connected to the immigration. it was against the trump administration's position on immigration. he had been -- his whole case centered around the fact that all these undocumented workers were found at his kosher plant in iowa. >> okay. so it's kushner who plays this pivotal role so why in the end did the president's advisers not put up more of a fight against this commutation? >> the question i say in the story, pick your battles. they felt that it was precisely because there was so much bipartisan support. it was precisely because it did seem as though the sentence was extraordinarily severe. 27 years, it was two years longer than actually the prosecutors had asked for. there were questions as to whether the judge in the case had been involved in the raid. those kind of issues is what made them think there are battles to fight with jared kushner. this may not be it. clearly an example

former head of dhs and chief of staff john kelly laid it out.rants ho riffically, it will deter immigration. that's unacceptable under any moral code or religious tradition. >> it's just not true. the statistics will show that a mother trying to escape violence from a country in central america will forego any sort of legal channels and go through the rio grande in the middle of the night in an inflatable raft if she has to. it is not proven to be a deterrent thus far. >> alex, you're right. it doesn't work as a deterrent. if you are like one family i met, the woman was there on the border with her 56-day old child. she fled because her family couldn't repay a bank loan and by that, private bank, i assume she meant to a cartel. the cartel said you're targeted. if your family can't repay, you will die. she thought they would not kill her while she was pregnant. she waited hoping to repay the loan until she was eight months pregnant, and it took her three months. i asked her what happened after you left. was your family able to repay the loan. she

john kelly is on the board and i have mentioned this many times.ng close to $2 million to run the home detention facility. so there's another side to this story. they're opening detention facilities all over the country in rural areas, in places which are very difficult for immigration attorneys to go to. we have used other programs in the past under the obama administration that worked very well. we can give these families monitoring devices, but this is, again, an attack on immigrant communities. i represent an area which has half of the people that live in my district, came from a different country. like you mentioned, i'm an immigrant. i came from a different country. we come here to work, to contribute. we are doctors, nurses and yes we are also congress members. and the continued attacks on immigrants and also violating a court ruling is very worrisome. he has disregarded the two branches of government, the legislative and now he's disregarding the judicial. and you have to question what else is this president going to do? but we can't contin

john kelly was the new chief of staff and was responsible for removing anthony scaramucci.he president reports president indicated that he wanted to give him a second chance. so i don't think this is likely to be a big mover. anthony scaramucci talks a lot, i expect to continue to hear from him. >> dana: i expect we will. good to hear from you steve hayes from toledo. >> thanks, dana. >> dana: a closer look at a mysterious explosion in russia. what was russia testing in the arctic when five state workers were killed? and need cash? eran, ow you should know about the newday va guaranteed cash out loan. it lets you take out an average of over 50,000 dollars. you could refinance your mortgage, consolidate your credit card debt, put cash in the bank, and lower your payments by over 600 dollars a month. newday looks at your whole financial picture, not just your credit score, so if you're a veteran homeowner who needs cash, call newday usa. 2@÷hqm'ó pe we really pride ourselves on making it easy for you >> tech: at safelite autoglass, to get your windshield fixed. with safelite

that the barriers around president trump's conduct, that former chiefs of staff reince priebus, john kelly tried to erect, are no longer there. it's the president free form day in and day out. his advisors are at least trying to prod him to go to places like pennsylvania, to go to a manufacturing center, because they know his anti-establishment style, his free wheeling speeches, his racist tweets, these have a whole anti-establishment persona that could help rouse his base in places like western pennsylvania and they know it's not going to play in places like the philadelphia suburbs on the other side of the state. but they're not making an overt play for the suburbs at this time because they know the president's conduct and his message beyond the economy, which they continue to tout, it's really about getting the base out, and part of that is just continuing to get them energized and engaged with the president's whole personality. >> but, brian, consider how much pressure that puts on trump needing a strong economy. you go to the suburbs of pennsylvania, you go across the country and thin

john q kelly, thank you. appreciate it.'s new defense secretary, mark esper, giving his first exclusive interview with fox news after one month on the job amid rising international threats and questions over election security. jennifer griffin is live at the pentagon with more. jennifer? >> melissa, in our exclusive interview, the defense secretary mark esper told me china poses the greatest long-term threat the united states. but here's what he said about russia. >> in terms of the election, can you assure the american people that the next election will be secure from cyber interference or any sort of hacking from russia or others? >> we are busily working every single day as part of a whole government approach led by the department of homeland security to make sure that the case. that was the case in 2016 and we will continue to apply all of our capability sent authorities to make sure our elections are protected and that the integrity over democracy is unquestioned. >> what have you learned from russia's field test of th

, do what you need to do, i'll pardon you, there was a piece in the times where it talked about john kelly who was the adult in the room, who would be the one to say, if you're asked to do something that's a little shady, don't do it, he's gone. who's there to say don't do it, the guardrails are off, there are too many trump enablers, everyone serves at the pleasure of the president, supporting the constitution, upholding our highest traditions, they're being asked to break the law, even if the president is saying, i'll parden you, if you stick with that, you're complicit at the end of the day, if we've had reports that the president has done this kind of thing before, this is stark, and against the pressures of a re-election, where he's clearly willing to do almost anything. the fact that he's dangling partners for people, he's asking people to commit legal acts, is huge. >> stop me if you heard this before. my executive got in my ear he just tweeted. he's calling this a fake story out of the post today, he said he was joking. >> yeah -- >> forgive me, white house officials. i mean, the w

there was the one that said both sides and chief of staff john kelly, a guy with his head in his hands. he undermines himself by revealing his true racist nature. >> i think you only have to look at donald trump's twitter feed, his statements not on a teleprompter and that tells you everything you need to know. when you have a majority of the american people now who believe that donald trump is a racist, that's where we are right now. he can't really walk that back. it's almost anything that he says, people, of course, are looking at that and they're leading reading into it. i think it's well-deserved. as far as trying to do something about guns and what we do, calling mitch mcconnell and saying, he's a good man and wants to do the right thing, this is a moment that does require a comprehensive response. if we do it in piecemeal once again, i'm not convinced that can happen the american public will think we solved a problem we haven't really solved. >> claire, on this big leadership, whatever you thought about president obama and george w. bush, in the national tragedies, 9/11, they tr

in which the president said he had no idea that omarosa was being fired by then-chief of staff john kellywas this the president's order that she be forced to resign, or was this mulvaney or someone else? >> over thursday, they had to convince the president. i think this was mulvaney's doing to convince him, that she had to go. if it was up to him, i'm sure she was trying to apologize to the president for these types of comments. but this -- i don't think he wants to piss this person off and have her write a tell-all book because she knows a ton of stuff since she was on many of the calls. she was right outside the oval office. so he doesn't want to make an enemy of her who would want to cash out and say even more revealing stuff in a best its selling book. >> there is also the option a's. she's been with him a while. she had a document of drinks and went -- had a couple of drinks and went too far. he can still feel for her plight. any word on who's up next for the job? >> there's another executive assistant, molly michael, who i'm sure her phone is being blizzarded with text about trying

and then a month later john kelly talked about it. >> with wolf blitzer. >> and a month later institutedilot program and didn't publicize it. they had a bad reaction to the little publicity it had until jeff sessions gave that so-called zero tolerance speech. that's what caught my attention because when i read that speech, i said they can't be doing this. no administration, no one in america would support ripping children out of their parents' arms. i went down to the border found out they were doing it, saw the kids in cages and saw just a little children knee high to a glass hopper maybe 4 years old and said we have to shine a light on this and put an end to it. >> how do you do that? obviously administration says we're not doing that any longer. but fear is still something they believe in making anybody afraid of what will happen to them if they come here. >> administration still is doing it. hundreds of children over this past year separated from their parents for this parent had a dui or things that would never separate a child from a parent. >> i think if a parent is hiv positive,

enforcement groups but with support from kellyanne conway and acting -- chief of staff at the time john kellybut as this moves on, these are issues -- if these law enforcement groups are fighting these issues of who's in charge of the agencies, it just overshadows the question that you have of is whether these problems are actually being tackled or not. >> i want to pull up some of the white house initiatives on the opioid crisis. the president made clear he heard a lot about this in 2016. he declared the opioid crisis a public health emergency, signed that expansive law or bill into law, $6 billion in new funding. they had a plan aimed at cutting prescriptions by a third within three years. i guess one of the questions i've had and i would open this almost to the floor, you talk to rob portman or somebody on the hill and he makes clear it's morphed. meth is a huge problem, fentanyl is a major problem as well. is the federal government capable of getting their hands around something like this through legislation, agencies or otherwise? >> well, i think there is obviously a concerted effort by

seen them make breaks and write tell-all books or break with him completely like rex tillerson or john kellyho really hasn't said anything but we know they didn't leave on great terms. nikki haley is making a middle path where she is supportive of the president but also makes her own views known at strategic times like this, when i think she thinks most americans are sort of disgusted by what the president is saying. she's got a bok comiok coming o the fall and she's someone to watch. there are other republicans like her who are looking to a post-trump era and there will be many others to watch. how do they navigate that? >> what's the lion in the wizard of oz, courage? >>> how long can pelosi hold the line on investigate, don't impeach. rength and energy! whoo-hoo! great-tasting ensure. with nine grams of protein and twenty-six vitamins and minerals. ensure, for strength and energy. and twenty-six vitamins and minerals. olay ultra moisture body wash gives skin the nourishment it needs and keeps it there longer with lock-in moisture technology. skin is petal smooth. because your best skin st

john kelly came to rely on her when he decided he wanted to streamline access to the oval office.eleine westerhout literally determined if you got to have face time with the leader of the free world or not. with her gone, you know, the depth of trust that the president had with her is gone with it, so, you know, it will be interesting to see how quickly someone else can come in and maintain the rig yor she wa known for establishing. another thing that is interesting is these kind of stories we would talk about all the time at the beginning of this president's tenure, the leaking, the hunt for them and the president's paranoia, this is one of the first times in a long time that we have had to talk about something like this, so i, you know, in talking to white house officials, they're if anything sort of paranoid about whether the president's ire has been sparked by this so much that he goes looking for others that might be having similar off the record dinners with reporters. >> that's interesting. charles, when you look at the president's tweet, he says he forgives westerhout but

. >> but this administration said -- john kelly said this when he was homeland security secretary. he said, those people are not going to be priorities for deportation. it's going to be people who have committed crimes and committed felonies. so it's just a misrepresentation of what they were going to say. it is equally legal but, you know. >> food processing jobs are not in high demand. not a lot of people desire those jobs. but they certainly need to get done. >> all right. one of the most notable events of 2020 is kicking off, the iowa state fair. 22 democratic hopefuls are set to attend over the next two weeks. we'll be there live with one contender who is stepping up to the soap box today. you are watching "velshi and ruhle" live on msnbc. fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely. but allstate actually helps you drive safely... with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast... ...and brake too hard. with feedback to help you drive safer. giving you the power to actually lower your cost. unfortunately, it can't do anything about that. now that you know the

john kelly for all of his faults if he was there would counterman trump's orders and say you can't doat it's illegal. >> don mcgahn would write emails saying you can't prosecute hillary clinton. those people are gone. >> you see in this story people at custom and border protection agency, most of them are civil service acceding to his wishes and outand outright telling the score of engineers you have to get this done before the election. that isn't something they should be taking into consideration. >> "the washington post" story and reading it three times like i did, also reveal the high and lows in trump's mind, he gage in criminal conduct, seize land -- must farmers around the border, seize land from farmers illegally and i will pardon you from the federal crimes involved. there may be texas lawmakers involved in that too or other border states. but there's also below trump brow, make it black and shiny and spiky and pretty. >> so he's corrupt and stupid. to be honest with you. there's a level of shallowness here that is evidenced. we know he has no curiosity whatsoever. he rebels

the chief of staff who fired him after just 11 days in the white house, john kelly, said he wanted, quotere structure, less "game of thrones". the president himself invokes the show in his twitter feed, a practice that mooch has used right after his public firing. he quoted jon snow. perhaps identifying with a character whose ambition didn't really allegation match his status. tweeting, when enough people make false promises words stop meaning anything, and then there are no more answers, only better and better lies. jon snow. now, obviously leading the u.s. government is more nuanced than the "game of thrones" plot, but the president relishes presenting his actions on these terms. whether it was invoking the show to preview sanctions on iran, sanctions are coming, or seizing on that dramatic sense of climax when he posted what you see here, the image to falsely suggest the mueller report found no dough lucollusion and thus w over for impeachment. it was widely noticed as america was taking in a president after all the mueller probe who now insisted on casting himself as a triumphant tv h

these officials who were supposed to be adults who are now gone like mcmaster, like tillerson, john kelly, are going to hold hands together and come out and give us more specifics of what they witnessed specifically about his cognitive abilities or specifically about really scary situations that they may have witnessed the president in his judgment. >> heather, it seems like what's helping trump here, perhaps unfairly is the old boy system. you to show some respect for the previous action. your transactional relationship, your relationship, once you've served in high office, you can't go out the door and act like you're some sort of saboteur. >> that's exactly right. if you think about the obama administration, eight years, hundreds of people who came in and out, and there has not been some salacious tell-all. >> maybe there wasn't a salacious reality. >> exactly. but that's important. you need that kind of loyalty. the problem is donald trump has broken all of the norms. we don't need to recite them all here, and yet you still got this code of gentlemen. general mathis, his book is not a

in 2004, john kelly won the nomination, but in january of that year, he was only polling at 9% whileard dean was at 26%. in december, by the way, of 2007, right before 2008, hillary clinton was beating barack obama by 18 points. clinton was at 45%. obama just 27. we know how that turned out. in the current race, joe biden himself is rejecting the idea that he is the only one that can win this time because he is an old white guy as he put it. let's watch. assertion is made that well, the reason, the only person that can beat trump is, quote, an old white guy, i just think that -- i mean, i think there is other people in the race who can beat trump. >> who? >> well, i think almost anybody. they'd all make a better president than trump, no matter who is left in the race. >> well, still with me are ginger gibson, adrienne elrod and jon ralston out in nevada. but joining us is presidential candidate and former u.s. congressman john delaney. mr. delaney, congressman. >> chris. >> you're one of them sleepers at best. tell me how you win now. how does it die down in the numbers that hasn't b

john and kelly, thank you for your reporting on this. we'll continue to listen to the president when he gets to louisville. >> the president is good at is branding and having people leave he's the omnivore only one to t china. he juicuses the idea. he likes the idea. >> think of all the people who spent years working on ttp that they did not talk about very much and the president certainly does. moments ago he also defended an a antisemitic discov antisemitic trove. they want to do a lot of things for for for for israel. only weak people would say anything than that. if you vote twfor a democrat, y are disloyal to israel and the jewish people. here is what the president originally said about jewish people who vote for democrats. >> where is the democratic party going? were they defending these two people over the state of israel. any jewish people vote for a democrat, i think it shows either a total lack of knowledge or great disloyalty. >> all right, the president made the comment after he was asked about democratic congresswoman ilhan

skrois, let's talk about when president trump became president and john kelly was his homeland security secretary, they talked about the fact if you were not a serious criminal or a criminal, you were not going to be targeted for deportation. his elegant term for it was bad hombres. but they were talking about the kind of people a threat to society, a menace to society. in fact, to stephanie's opponent many of the people who we know, we've reported on who have been targeted for immigration action and deportation have been people working in the united states 5, 10, 15, 20s we know of instances 25, 30 years including some of these people who were arrested in mississippi. tell me how we're supposed to think about these i.c.e. raids because you were a prosecutor who had jurisdiction over some of these things. >> so the way you think about this sort of a situation as a prosecutor is it's important to prosecute the most culpable people and the people who represent the greatest threat to your community. in a situation like this, that would mean seeing if you can prosecute the employers who aft

. >> kristen welker, is there anybody -- you had gary cone, you had john kelly, you had a previous teamround the president that essentially i think sort of with was alfonso was, yes, get tough, but there is a point where we're not going to play a game of chicken and get into a head-on collision. we will swerve, but we're going to swerve at a reasonable point. is there anybody given the president counter advice here, or is all the advice he's getting is sort of, yes, sir, that's a smart move, sir. >> reporter: well, it's a good question, chuck. and, look, he was meeting with his trade team earlier today. that included the likes of larry kudlow, someone who would likely argue not to be escalating the trade war in this way. but then you have other voices, lighthizer, for example, who was in the room essentially making the alternate case. how many people can actually say to the president let's pump the brakes and have him listen? it's not clear that there's one similar person. we know his new chief of staff mick mulvaney is someone who can give advice but not someone who he would necessaril

sitting there with his hands up to his face was the chief of staff, john kelly, who i have gotten tonow on a hello, nice to see you, sir at a couple of off the record events the white house has had. i have great respect for him. he is very nice to me, very kind to me. it was the first time, that is normally where the vice president sits. i think the vice president was traveling that day. we were in the room and a lot of times when the vice president is sitting in that seat, there is a secret service agent directly behind him. so, we are not allowed to have that kind of perspective, right over whoever's head is sitting directly across from the president. i realize that and jumped right into it. host: is that normal that they do not let you have that kind of position? doug: it has happened during the trump administration, where there has been -- i don't recall it happening during with vice president biden and president obama sitting across from him, but now there is a lot more security. we see a lot more secret service around. and the white house has a lot of new faces in the media. an

house occupying a hub of trump chaos, the same position filled and vacated by reince priebus and john kellyg about acting chief of staff mick mull mulvaney. >> yes, i'm supporting donald trump. i'm doing so as enthusiastically as i can given the fact he's a terrible human being. the choice on the other side is just as bad. >> there's all kinds of stuff going on. it's wild that this is the state of federal staffing. and it's like the 12th most prominent story to think about. this is not normal and it's telling. donald trump is not known to fib grunls or overlook these kind of things but he's so desperate for bodies in an administration with record breaking turnover, he's hired or teamed up with people who call him a kook and crazy, unfit for office. a cancer on conservatism. a terrible human being. they also say he's not a very good person. they don't particularly like him and he says disgusting and indefensible things. what else? he's actually the most flawed human being running for president in history. this is a lot of very clear character rejection. it's not policy disagreement. it's an

when john kelly was the head of dhs and ultimately chief of staff, we've had a number of conversationsnd there are some parts of the border where physical barrier actually makes sense. but there is also a lot of parts of the boarder where border patrol's response time to a threat is measured in hours to days. so if you're trying to respond to a threat and it takes you hours or days, that wall is not going to be a physical barrier. now there is a problem. you have 35 billion with a b dollars worth of drugs coming illegally into our country. we know the humanitarian crisis that is going on along the border. we should be able to defend our borders and we should know what's going back and forth across our border. the way we do that is technology. the way we do that is additional manpower. >> let me sort of on those two points. drugs and people coming. we know drugs ports of entry. people are not driving to part of the desert. the cartels are sophisticated enough. they have enough people they can bribe and get over on to drive them through the ports of entry. >> here's what i will say. a lo

i remember john kelly when he was dhs secretary interviewing him about this, and he said regular people who are here illegally are not going to be priorities for arrests and deportation. that is going to go to what the president called bad ombres, murderers, drug dealers, things like that. that does seem to have seen a shift. that priority seems to have shifted here to people who were fully employed participants with their kids enrolled in the local schools. >> that's the issue when you conduct these workside raids. i don't have a problem with them going after these employers. i am hearing some rumors going out that maybe these were exploited employers. but they don't have to arrest all of the workers when they do that. and the biggest problem is exactly what you just said. if you're looking for high-value targets or bad hombres, the last place you're going to find them is a workplace like this. ms-13 guys don't go in and punch 8 hours a day. it's a separate issue if they're entitled to work in the united states. but if you're saying that i.c.e. has limited resources to only remove less

is that people who have come forth like him even john kelly, former secretary of homeland security and then chief of staff to president trump, michael cohen, people who have very close relationships with the president and then try to step back and say, actually he's completely unstable and unable to do his job and they don't have credibility and aren't ainge to change minds because of their motionvati -- their motivn are called into question. >> so far anthony scaramucci and skbroe walsh and peter -- and is that enough to pose a real threat within the party. not to defeat him in a primary but to bruise him. >> no. because they have no media eco-system so what the trump consumers are consuming is state propaganda, all pro-trump all of the time. and nothing that scaramucci and the other guys will say r a shurp to anybody. the only surprise is why it took them so long to realize. from the day trump -- even before the day trump announced, it was clear he was a racist and conspiracy theorist. that is clear for literally decades so i don't think these guys have a lot of credibility as the tr

colleagues have reported on contemporaneous memos taken by don mcgahn and former chief of staff john kelly around jared and ivanka's security clearances. there's been the reporting obviously of jim comey's memos, which tell an extraordinary story in which the country was gripped by for two years. andy mccabe was known to have taken memos. is there in your view or from your perch, is there more memo taking? is there more salacious material than memos being taken during the trump presidency? >> i would suspect others have taken memos too. i think we saw a good sample of them with the mueller investigation, you know, but we can't be sure. i mean, there could be people keeping private diaries as well, which would be interesting. nicolle, can i make one other idea about this report -- >> please. >> what's interesting is after the fbi learned about the existence of the other memos, he had given some to his lawyers, they frantically go and collect them and the people surrounding comey, the former general counsel jim baker, lisa paige, andy mccabe, special counsel, pete strzok, top counterintellig

he was protected by john kelly after that was known because rob porter has the keys to the kingdom.knows so much. trump will go to great lengths -- >> right. >> -- to keep him from testifying, whether it's a full fledged impeachment, articles of impeachment or impeachment hearing. >> so speaking of impeachment for a moment, i want to play you guys house speaker pelosi, chair nadler were talking about impeachment just earlier this summer. take a listen. >> if the caucus wants to go forward with an impeachment inquiry, would you go for if? >> it's not even closely a caucus. you know, why are we speculating on hypotheticals? >> nancy pelosi said all options are on the table. they are on the table and when we get more information, as this process continues, we'll have to make decisions down the road. >> all right. so, john, by our count it's 133. has the impeachment debate shifted since the mueller hearings -- >> absolutely. >> -- and these developments? you think that number is going to continue to grow? >> oh, yes, i think so. and i think the time back in the districts has made a big

oh, john kelly, like, all of that is so complex. well, what he's doing is simple, he's tweeting a crazy thing, east going to dmz and doing a tv show can with kim jong un. now he's flying to europe and sitting with mohamed bin salmon and calling him his best friend. he's doing all these things that make him seem mad, but the press has to figure out, a, how to cover him. to coifer him as president and give him the deference that the western press give to presidents, and at the same time this madness. and i think that he understands that we don't understand how to cover that. we don't understand how to keep up with that and that the media does not want to be in an adversarial relationship with him. so the media would give him so much deference and so much give, and he knows he's going to get it. so he complains and he whines, and he demands more deference. he demands more of an opportunity, and then he fills that space with chaos. that's made it extremely hard to cover, extremely hard for democrats to stop, and it's made him to be blun

john kelly here who is a leading expert in the whole field and who i know helped write the surgeon general report two

look, if general john kelly came out and said these things, that this president is in real mental declinettention. i think amarosa and anthony scaramucci, i have to look at it with a grain of salt why they might be bringing it up. they might be right, but i would look at kelly rather than anthony scaramucci. >> you said yourself the that the president might drop out in 2020. if it becomes clear he most likely won't win, is this plausible? do you think that quote, a paraphrased it to some degree, but do you think trump is saying he's not going to run again, or is it just wishful thinking for his opponents? >> i think it's wishful thinking. i don't rule out anything involving donald trump, but his public rating is still around 90% right now. i think some of the more probable challengers, like john kasich who could have given him a run for his money, think it's not a viable time to beat him at this point. and the truth of the matter is a lot of where president trump's votes are now is about 50-50 and it's hard to know what lies ahead. >> to rick's point, do you think he's basically trying to

decisions about detaining immigrants come to look her homeland secretary of homeland security, john kelly, he should not be allowed to go through a revolving door and get paid by a corporation building those detention facilities. former members of congress should not have privileges if they use them to lobby clients. no wonder elected officials have problems with public trust. we do not police ourselves effectively. the final thing i would like to highlight is a mechanism for improving government that is right in our constitution, as the first, the bill of rights. i am talking about freedom of the press. if we want to make elected officials more accountable, we should all support the rights of a free press, because the matter how good voter turnout is, no matter how safe our election systems are, no matter how transparent members of congress are about our conflicts, as justice louis brandeis wrote "sunlight is he best disinfectant." electric lights the most efficient policeman. end quote. instead of calling the perfect the enemy of the people, we need to champion the role they play in our

on this project and there have been moments when for example his former chief of staff general john f. kelly had to later reassure some of those aids that the president didn't really mean it and not to follow his instructions. >> just to be clear, what exactly is he pushing these aids to do before the election when it comes to the wall? >> so the president is under extraordinary pressure to deliver on his 2016 campaign promise to build a wall along the border. so far the army corps of engineer built 60 miles, all of it replacing fencing in areas where that fencing was older, but the president promised a border would and feels like he has to deliver, he has told his supporters that he's going to build 500 miles by next year's presidential election. and homeland security officials and the army corps of engineers have said they are on track to build 450 miles and so the president wants them to hurry up. he wants to be able to point to this as an establishment and he's hungry to take it as -- to be able to claim it as an achievement. >> as you've reported, his staff wants pictures of it to prove