i know john kelly. i knew john kelly when he was i just felt calm commander. >> i mean, i understand that you support donald trump, but i wonder just looking at this from the outside, why would two former military officers who really have absolutely nothing to gain from this kind of commentary. why would they say something like this if they didn't believe that it was true. >> so you know, to be fair, john kelly was asked they read the dictionary definition and he asked them, does he fit that definition? and that was john kelly's answer. so it was little bit of, a, does he fit in this definition, it wasn't voluntary. he didn't call it jeff goldberg and say, hey, jeff, let me tell you something. >> i actually do you mind if i play? >> yeah, play it again. >> this is this is in the new york times audio. this is what he says a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist, political ideology and movement characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of oppositio

i know john kelly. john kelly when he was i just felt calm commander. >> i mean, i understand that. you support donald trump, but i wonder just looking at this from the outside, why would two former military officers who really have absolutely nothing to gain from this kind of commentary. why would they say something like this if they didn't believe that it was true. >> so he fair john kelly was asked they read the dictionary definition and he asked them, does he fit that definition? >> and that was john kelly's answer. so it was a little bit of, you know, does he fit in this definition? it wasn't volunteered, didn't call jeff goldberg and say, hey, jeff, let me tell you something. >> i actually, do you mind if i play yeah, play again. >> this is this is in the new york times audio. this is what he says the definition of fascism ultra-nationalists, political ideology characterized by totals, leader centralized on pi christie militarism. forcible suppression of our position belief, natural social hierarchy those are the titan running american right? >> so he's asked the definition, y

and this was what john kelly would national guard was what john kelly was alarmed by the idea of using the u.s. military to go after american settled. >> trump never said american qin's writ large. you keep on putting words in his mouth. and are they are they not americans far left, people who commit acts of violence, who ride an hour doing a very narrow definition of what he said, which is not what he said. that's not what he said. but let me ask you a bigger question that jake he did he said that he wanted to use the u.s. military. let me clear go after far left lunatics i also admiral rioting and looting. and he ever say you had a judge ever said many out of the pelosi, he never had any people that don't want to contact them. he said that adam schiff and nancy pelosi, he used in a separate context and a separate conversation of what you're doing is you're smashing two different about the box. ask him about this last week and he didn't take issue with it. he said the enemy within is the biggest is the biggest threat within that he's going to use the military against nancy pelosi, don

so first of all, a lot of what john kelly pretty much all of what john kelly accuses donald trump of saying there were other people in the room, mike pence's former chief of staff, for example, who have explicitly said donald trump never said those things, right? one expensive, not going to support trump because mike pence, mike pence's former chief of staff, said that donald trump didn't say those things, right? so that's number one. number two, i actually think there's there's an interesting conversation here to have jake, which is why does john kelly not support donald trump? it's about policy, it's not about personality. he says he agrees with trump on most policy. know, he agrees with trump tampa most policy. he disagrees with trump on, but how trump views his role in the fascism and the authority i don't buy that jake, i don't buy that because if you actually look at john kelly at folks like liz cheney, the fundamental disagreement they have with donald trump is even though they say that they're conservative, they're conservative in the sense that they want america to get invol

i'm john kelly. the magazine is quoting donald trump, citing two people who heard him say the quote that we're about to read to you? as saying, i need the kind of generals that hitler had. people who were totally loyal to him that follow orders the atlantic story also opens up with anecdote pertaining to the funeral for the 20-year-old army specialist vanessa guillen. you'll remember her story. she was murdered in 2020 a fellow soldier at fort hood at the time when that happened, i was covering the white house. i remember this moment. trump invited the family into the white house and he publicly offered to help with her funeral cost his kitchen, you can help, all that need something, we'll take care will make sure she is very respected. >> it was a touching moment with her family in the oval office. but a few months after that, the atlantic says that trump reportedly asked pentagon officials and that same office a few months later, quote, did they bill us for the funeral? what did it cost? an aid ans

of a, of the world's foremost fascist. >> well, and just the idea of in your reporting where it, john kelly is having to explain mean it to trump and to say that of course trump famously quoted as saying he knows more than his generals did. and there's part of general kelly talking about this, about the comments that we've heard from donald trump lately. this is not just something that happened in term one of donald trump. we're now hearing him talking about using the us military to go after what he refers to his enemies from within. i mean, he's named dropped democrats when he's had those conversations. there's part of this interview with general kelly with the new york times about why he's speaking out now, i just want people to listen to what he said to the new york times about this about joe, people like retired from the military or left the military late, lake mark esper mike pompeo can go into a political job whether he's elected or it's a little bit different because you didn't involve but for the most part, you just and that's why i'm so hesitant to talk you certainly never to tow a

john kelly isn't selling a book, john kelly isn't making the rounds. this isth someone who goes to v halls and talking to young cadetsin and marines and doesn' want anything to do with partisan politicsb, hates partisan politics maybe even, you know, to a fault. and it took a very, very long time to get to this point. i had asked kelly to do this over the summer, and he said, mike, you're a nice guy, but get lost. and i -- you know, we just didn't give up. and we continued to push. but the difference here is the audio. it's the fact that you can hear it, and you can hear it directly from the person. you're not relying on me writing ang story about it. you can play it and you can hear ithe yourself. and in a world in which we in the media are struggling to deal with questions of fact and attacks on the press, i have found that audio is a really helpful way to bring things forward. and i think in this case it really helped to tell the story and tell it in a way that was new and different. >> it sounds like the -- the inflection point in terms of his deci

>> honestly, i'm going to tell you because i know john kelly, i worked with john kelly, and john kellyt of things and you can find things to criticize about john kelly but there is one thing that he is, and that is a truth teller. this is a man who does not lie. and the fact that he came out in his own words and said, especially not just that trump was a fascist likely maybe more damning than that is him saying in his own words how trump called men and women who serve their country and died for their country, suckers and losers. in any other universe than any other presidential campaign it would be game over. we do not in america call our military suckers and losers, who have sacrificed themselves for our country, and this was particularly difficult for john kelly because he lost his son in combat in afghanistan. he is not just a retired four star general. he is also a gold star family members so the notion that this man treats the military with this disrespect and sees the military as his own toy -- john kelly revers the military. he is a military man 100%. when he took the job as chi

i want to play more about what john kelly says. in this case, it's about donald trump's feelings, as he knows them, toward veterans. take a listen. >> does he have disdain for the disabled? >> certainly his not wanting to be seen with amputees, amputees that lost their limbs in defense of this country fighting for every american to -- him included -- to protect them, didn't want to be seen with them. that's -- that's an interesting perspective from the commander in chief to have. >> why didn't he want to be seen with them? >> he would just say, look, it doesn't look good for me. >> and to repeat what peter pointed out, this is a four star general who is saying -- there are voters, and we know this because we've talked to them -- who just see this as more of the same or maybe he doesn't really mean it, right? what do you hear when you hear that? >> i hear a four star general who lost his son to a land mine in afghanistan. his son died in service of this country. so, when he thinks about making a decision to go public and have his vo

my view is, john kelly has stepped up on this.hink others are doing a little bit less but still contributing. jim mattis knows him well and has been reticent. h.r. mcmaster has steered a middle course. it's up to the people that have been around him hour after hour, day after day, month after month, to come out and give the american people a portrait. i think they are doing that. i think they are in that sense doing their duty. i am proud of them. >> they are getting out there. i had a long conversation with h.h. mcmaster about donald trump. i want to ask you about one of the other things in the news. this is north korea sending troops to russia to fight ukraine. how concerned are you about that? >> i'm very concerned. tactically, it's a real boost for the russians. i can assure you those will be well trained, capable north koreans. north korea is like sparta. it focuses on preparing to go to war. these will not be hapless drafties like the russians are throwing at the front lines. these are quality troops. there's a tactical impl

trump's own former white house chief of staff, john kelly, telling the atlantic trump said that he needed the kind of generals that hitler had kelly also told the new york times that he'd heard trump praise the nazi leader more than once claiming that trump said, quote, hitler did some good things to here's a bit of vice president harris is remarks this is a window into who donald trump really is from the people who know him best from the people who worked with him side-by-side in the oval office and in the situation room, donald trump is increasingly unhinged and unstable and in a second term people like john kelly would not be there to be the guardrails against his propensities and his actions joining us now to discuss is mark esper who served as defense secretary under president trump. >> secretary esper serves on the board or as a strategic advisor for a handful of aerospace and defense-related companies. secretary, thank you so much for being with us. first. do you have any reason to doubt general kelly's remarks not at all. >> boris, of course, we've heard these stories before and s

so i've known john kelly forever.ust want to start by saying he is as truthful, as honest, as genuine and as authentic as anyone i have ever met. he's also, as you say, a four-star general. that means throughout the course of his career, joe, again and again he raised his right hand and swore an oath not to the president of the united states, the commander in chief, he swore that oath like every military member does to the constitution of the united states. i solemnly swear to support and defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies foreign and domestic. let's bring it home. what is an enemy to the constitution? someone who wants to take control, take power and use it to disassemble our democracy. that's the threat john kelly was describing so well and so authentically and so honestly in these superb article by michael. >> so michael schmidt, let's get into more detail about what john kelly told you and how troubled in your conversation you thought he really was, why he felt he needed to step forwa

aide, a military veteran and harsh right-wing super conservative, that's a fair description of john kelly, is yoking donald trump to hitler. this is as serious as it gets. general kelly-u might remember, is a four-star general. he's dealt with homeland security. he's dealt with wars and military matters. and he served as trump's chief of staff. he has decided to speak out. we've discussed as a nation, as a society, who speaks out and when and how and how far they're willing to go. he is concerned that donald trump will take his admiration for hitler and his vows to abuse power and destroy america as a constitutional republic as we know it. that's what he's concerned about. the general has become a whistleblower. this is a big deal. he's concerned that trump is a, quote, fascist. he's concerned that trump denigrates military and its service members. he believes trump will do what he has already vowed to do, the talk of being a dictator, of auz booing military powers, of using violence against people in this country, of treating people who disagree with him politically or otherwise as an en

or people not really paying attention and don't know who john kelly is still.'re landing. communicating to them, the closest people around donald trump, maybe if you're wavering, listen to mike pence, john kelly, mattis, and his closest advisors can't get there. they think he is dangerous. they think he is not worth the risk. that more nuanced message is quite compelling and tests well, if you look at democratic internal polling, as well. >> voters that might still be available, you mentioned a few. a few cycles in a row now, there has been a hidden vote. '16 and '20, trump supporters were undercounted by pollsters. they showed up big, enough to give him a win in '16 and closer than expected loss in '20. what could be the hidden vote this time around? are there trump voters pollsters aren't picking up, or perhaps is it women who might be breaking late and quietly for harris? >> we'll stay with the positive first since you ended there. i think that non-college white women, post dobbs, we haven't seen a lot of this. you saw a little of this in the midterms in pla

i certainly hope not. >> it's not just john kelly and mark milley. e a look at all the former trump officials who have spoken out against trump. mike pence, james mattis, john bolton, mark esper, bill barr, nikki haley. this list goes on and on, some of them calling trump a threat to democracy itself. we literally ran out of space to fit all the comments here. how do you make sense of it? a lot of these are national security and military folks, they're worried enough by what they experienced inside the trump administration, that they are now speaking out against trump. but they aren't going so far to say that they would vote for harris. >> well, i find that rather not surprising, but unconscionable on their part, because they know that if they are not going to support kamala harris and vote for her, this is something that's going to benefit donald trump. and all of those individuals that you showed on the screen, these were people who thought that they could keep donald trump on track. but they saw up close and personal that his actions, his private c

i have siro doubt that john kelly it's telling the truth. john kelly does not lie. he served admirably an honorably for decades and decades. this is a man who we should listen to and look. if you are a staunch trump supporter, it won't matter to you. but to those republicans who say they have the greatest respect for the military, to those was republicans who say they are for law and order they better. he'd, john kellys words and i hope that at least some of them take it seriously. and if they are having a hard time marking that ballot for kamala harris, that this is something that helps them finally, make that decision. and let me also please talk about this stuff, about what he said about vanessa yen. if you don't believe that donald trump is capable of saying that $60,000, does it cost that much to bury a mexican? then you have been listening to donald trump. you haven't been listening to the way he talked about judge curiel as just a mexican, you haven't been listening to the way he talked about mexicans as criminals and rapists, you have forgotten when he said

i wonder if that is on your mind and what you make of john kelly coming forward now.e a difference? >> it's the critical closing argument regarding trump's character. most persuadable voters are actually already agreeing that donald trump's character is bankrupt, that his instincts are depraved. they think there will be checks and balances around him. a key argument democrats have to make more compellingly is that anybody in the body politic that were there is depleted. he will not have john kelly and jim mattis and john bolton and even jared kushner in the white house with him. he'll have donald trump jr. who is even a more depraved version of his father. that is who will be turning the federal government into a trump thiefdom. it's not just going to be the military, it's going to be the politicalization of medicare and using the department of justice to go after the private sector. it will be civil servants having to respond to his whims as opposed to facts and evidence. >> for you and many americans, comments like this are disqualifying or viewed as unamerican. tha

john kelly said he witnessed. not to mention what dozens of other senior administration officials have said on the record about donald trump's fitness, his temperament, and his judgment including two of his former defense secretaries, two of his former national security advisers, his former vice president, his former attorney general, and the former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. this afternoon vp kamala harris seized on this moment. >> all of this is further evidence for the american people of who donald trump really is. this is a window into who donald trump really is. from the people who know him best, from the people who work with him side by side in the oval office and in the situation room, donald trump is increasingly unhinged and unstable, and in a second term people like john kelly would not be there to be the guardrails against his propensities and his actions. those who once tried to stop him from pursuing his worst impulses would no longer be there. >> joining us now nbc news correspondent vaug

john kelly is no liz cheney. john kelly was not planning on doing and media leading up to the election because he did not want to get tangled with trump. it was him hearing about the enemies from within that made him say enough is enough. do you think it will matter to anyone? >> reporter: well, look, we will find out. we can tell . >> david you are muted. >> keep going. >> we can tell by what vice president harris has been saying and how the campaign has been prosecuting its message that they believe that this can make a difference in the campaign. that it can sway that small but significant sliver of undecided. might have an impact in republicans with independents, really, who really do swing back and forth. and so i think what we will find out is in a race this close is this the sort of thing that can breakthrough when the media environment that consumers access so many people on the right will look at one group of media, people on the left will look at another group of media. voters at large are not dealing w

and again, john kelly, he is a 40 year marine. i know that the trump campaign has said he's making it up. he's a gold star father. he served his country for more than in four decades. he rose from enlisted man to the highest rank in the military. he has zero incentive to make something like this up. so listen, it's john kelly, the 40 year marines words from a firsthand account against donald trump, who we know has lied before repeatedly. >> so the question a question i should say here is why does kelly feel it is so important to bring this to light first with you and then out loud them to the new york times in what? should are or what does he hope to instruct in voters to voters as they're going to make their decisions you know, it's actually because i've been speaking to kelly for years, really, and i've asked him before about when we did this interview, though on the record and so on. >> i asked him if he was going to go on television for instance, or write an op-ed or something along those lines, if any general his view is ben.

and i have been trying to get john kelly to answer these questions in a forum like this for a long timeen kelly saw the comments trump made about using the military against americans, for kelly that was a red line. and i think that john kelly sees the divide between the military being something that defends the united states abroad and the military not being used on american citizens as something that is rooted in history that goes all the way back to george washington. i think that kelly, it's part of his ethos. i think that this was not something that he willingly did. i think he struggled with the fact that he himself -- he struggles with the same issue that bothers him about trump. he struggles with the fact that i'm a retired, uniformed military officer weighing in on something related to a political event. this is someone who hates partisan politics. but i think was so bothered by the comments about using the military domestically that he felt a willingness to say -- to say essentially four things. one, i'm not endorsing anyone. i'm not telling you who to vote for or who i'm votin

let me say, got to take a minute on john kelly.now john kelly and i worked with him and i worked closely with him is the ranking member on homeland security. he called me the day he decided to take the job as chief of staff to donald trump. i remember the phone call and i remember where i was. i was in my home. i said what are you doing? why would you do this? he said i feel i have to do it for the country. i think i can help them stay between the lines, so to speak. when he took that job, chris, he walked away from a military job. he still wants to be very protective of the military, but that was in essence set up political job he took. i am grateful he has spoken out today. i am grateful he has gone on tape. if anybody doesn't believe that donald trump said these things, they don't know john kelly first of all. second of all, we know he says these kinds of things because he said it out loud about john mccain. he was a loser because he was a prisoner of war. why would anyone be shocked that this is something he wouldn't say? shame

and david, just minutes ago, donald trump posted on social media attacking john kelly, calling him a low life and a bad general, insisting that he completely made up that story, but kelly now joins a long list of military leaders and former national security advisers that once worked under donald trump and have since denounced him, calling him a danger to democracy and the constitution. that list also including former national security advisers h.r. mcmaster, john bolton, and general jim mattis, who served as defense secretary. david? >> david: rachel scott, thank you. >>> tonight, for the first time here, we're hearing the chilling 911 calls from the scene of the assassination attempt of donald trump in butler, pennsylvania. the horrified callers, the panic and fear in their voices moments after it played out. here's aaron katersky. >> take a look at what happened -- >> reporter: tonight, for the first time, the 911 calls from the attempted assassination of former president trump in butler, pennsylvania. >> they just tried to kill president trump, >> reporter: in the caller's voices,

so why is john kelly speaking out now? well, he says it's because of these recent comments on the trail we have to an image. >> we have the outside enemy, and then we have the enemy from within. it is the enemy from within. they are to me the enemy from within. >> don kelly's explosive words are coupled with a report from the atlantic. jeffrey goldberg that while president trump said, quote i need the kind of generals that hitler had, people who were totally loyal to him that followed orders. now that's according to two sources who heard the comment themselves. the trump campaign denies that and says, none of that happened. but here's what you need to hear from john kelly. here's what he says about the former president's affinity for one of the most vicious and evil men in world history. >> caught as a boil, the ones, that did hit what did some good things to let of course if you know, history again, i think he's lacking in that. what if you know what hit it was all about viewed be pretty hard to make an argument that he d

i believe john kelly. i believe john kelly. i believe liz cheney. take us inside to one of those very many conversations that you witness. you were senior advisor at department of homeland security when john kelly was the secretary. is there an antidote you can give us to illuminate this point? >> there are so many, it will be hard to pick one. when he went to go brief the president, it was my job to make sure that the many men and women of homeland security who are creating the briefings and gathering information, it was my job to make sure that it looked good and made sense and something that john kelly was pleased with. so he could go brief the president. we learned very quickly that you could not put forward a normal brief. it started with, let's do a couple slides, not 10. no, you can only do one. you cannot have words. only one or two, mostly pictures. he could not focus. he could not stay on topic. he easily would be distracted. there would be keywords that you could not talk about. you could not mention russia or domestic terrorism. it would

john kelly is no liz cheney. john kelly wasn't even planning on doing any media leading up to the election because he did not want to get tangled with trump. but it was him hearing about the enemies from within that made him say enough is enough. do you think that's going to matter to anyone? >> well look, we'll find out. we can tell from -- >> david, you're muted. >> and what he has been saying -- keep going. we can tell by what vice president harris has been saying and by how the campaign has been prosecuting its message that they believe this can make a difference in the campaign. it can sway that small, but significant sliver of undecided that it might have an impact. and particularly with independence, right, who really do swing back and forth. what we'll find out is in a race this close. is this the sort of thing that can breakthrough when the media environment that consumers access is so looked at. they will look at one group of immediateth media. the people on the right will look at another group of media

this is john kelly. a guy who was his longest serving chief of staff and i think that was really important. this kind of thing does actually permeate the news and it makes this -- it makes it clear this is not normal. these kind of things do not happen. and you're seeing more and more republicans. liz cheney and harris don't have any -- you know, this is not a policy decision this is a democracy decision. >> general mccaffrey, what does it mean to, you know, a person serving right now or a parent when someone is serving to understand and really internalize what kelly is saying, that the commander in chief, should trump prevail, is a fascist? >> look, first of all i think the armed forces will and will remain an apolitical organization. at the highest ranks at the four-star serving ranks people do not express, in private nor public, a political preference. they're going to try to remain steadfast and stay out of the election process. however, i think from a national security perspective, you watch all the

let me just say, i've got to take a minute on john kelly. i know john kelly. i worked with john kelly is a member of the armed services committee. i worked closely as the ranking member on homeland security. he called me the day he decided to take the job as chief of staff for donald trump. i remember the phone call. i remember where i was, here at my home in st. louis. i said what are you doing? why are you doing this? he said, i feel that i have to do it for the country. i think i can help him stay between the lines, so to speak. when he took that job, chris, he walked away from a military job. he still wants to be protective of the military, but that was in essence a political job he took, so i am so grateful he spoke out today. i'm so great he has gone on tape and if anyone doesn't believe that donald trump said these things, they don't know john kelly, first of all, and second of all we know he says these things because he said them out loud about john mccain, that he was a loser because he was a prisoner of war. so why would anyone be shocked that this i

i want to get your reaction to president trump's former chief of staff john kelly who said john wouldke a dictator and meet the definition of a fascist and i want to get your reaction, sir. sen. vance: record the boos and my response to that question. here's the thing about what john kelly said. john kelly was fired by donald trump and pissed off about it. here's the thing every time john kelly says something happened, you have three or four people allegedly in the room saying he is making it up and mike pence's chief of staff said john kelly is making up a bunch of crap. who do we believe, multiple eyewitnesses or disgruntled ex employee. i think everything john kelly said is not true. john kelly didn't come out of his own volition, he talked to kamala harris campaign beforehand. why are the media and why is kamala harris talking about a disgruntled former employee instead of the fact that grocery prices are up 25% in the state of michigan? instead of talking about something that happened five years ago, when she cast a vote and made housing, energy and groceries unaffordable for the

and general mark milley at a rally last night. >> now i happen to know john kelly and mark milley.rved under me when i was commander in chief. these are serious people. these are, this is a decorated soldier and marine who served in vietnam. they are not quote-" liberals. they are people who have never, in the past, even talked about politics because they believe that the military should be above politics. but the reason they are speaking out is because they have seen that in donald trump's mind the military does not exist to serve the constitution or the american people. he does not see being commander in chief as a solemn, sacred responsibility. just like everything else, he thinks the military is there to do his bidding, to serve his interests. he said if he is elected he will use the military to go after, quote, the enemy within. which he defines as anybody who criticizes him or refuses to bend the knee. he can't handle that. and unlike last time, unlike the first time, he won't have people like john kelly around to stop him. he will be surrounded by people who are just as loon

"the new york times" had an interview with john kelly. kelly said trump would want to rule like a dictator. >> certainly the former president is in the far-right area. he's certainly an authoritarian. admires people who are dictators. he has said that. so he certainly falls into the general definition of fascist for sure. >> kelly also confirmed other reports that trump repeatedly spoke highly of adolph hitler. according to "the atlantic," not confirmed by nbc news, trump made other comments about hitler, according to two people in the white house. saying, quote, i need the generals that hitler had, people that totally loyal to him. with us now senior national politicking reporter jonathan allen and yamiche alcindor. jonathan, what's the reaction in trump world to the bombshell articles? >> reporter: we could put it on the screen, steven chung said that john kelly, quote, unquote, beclowned himself in his job, obviously the rift between donald trump and john kelly pretty big. kelly has been telling this story and others for quite a while

trump you on this one because obviously john kelly is a man of great esteem he is someone who devoted life to serving the country. >> he lost a son in afghanistan, obviously, vance there directly, basically calling kelly a liar. there's new politico reporting this morning with a number of other trump officials coming out to say they backup what kelly had to say what, what do voters here when they hear all of this is it is it that they i simply believe that these reports are incorrect. >> they believe trump and vance when they say that john kelly is a liar, or is it that they're not concerned about what the warnings that they have? what is it? >> well, first, we all have gratitude of john kelly for his military service to the country and we need to state that up front but there's something going on here. there are plenty of other people who worked in the white house at that time who have come out on the record and said john kelly is not telling the truth about this, you know, and there's something about having a falling out with donald trump that tends to make a person literally lose i

and i'm including retired general john kelly, a retired general james mattis, general mike milley, former defense secretary, mike esper, former national security adviser, john bolton former director of national intelligence, dan coats, and former vice president mike pence. it's just to name a few, how disturbing is that to you? are they all wrong look, they all look. >> there's no doubt there's a personal divide between all of them and the former president. i have my own personal divide between myself and trump. i haven't talked to the guy in years. that's not what we're looking for. we're looking for results so again, you want to go down the list of people that have quit on kamala harris in the first three years, in four years of her being vice president, the number of disgruntled employee she has because that list goes on all day long in washington, everybody knows that. so i get these people don't want to see trump in there. they have a personal ax to grind in and they probably didn't have a very good working relationship that much is clear clear but at the end of the day, what's going

general john kelly quoting donald trump's praise of hitler was not to deny the words john kelly quoted donald trump saying. donald trump's response was a written statement simply calling him a total degenerate. he did not issue a statement saying hitler did not do some good things. donald trump could have issued a statement saying that, but he didn't. donald trump knows that he has the american nazi supporters out there who are going to vote for him. actual american nazis. a small sliver of trump voters but he needs every one of them. donald trump knows he needs every total degenerate nazi voter in every swing state to vote for him. so donald trump cannot afford the lose a single one of them and that is why he refused to condemn hitler today and only condemned john kelly. what are the good things? what are the good things hitler did? that is the first question for donald trump for any reporter next allowed to ask a question of trump. what are the good things hitler did? hitler is known for trying to exterminate every jewish person living in europe and hopes to exterminate every jew liv

i want to get your reaction to president trump's former chief of staff john kelly who said john wouldke a dictator and meet the definition of a fascist and i want to get your reaction, sir. sen. vance: record the boos and my response to that question. here's the thing about what john kelly said. john kelly was fired by donald trump and pissed off about it. here's the thing every time john kelly says something happened, you have three or four people allegedly in the room saying he is making it up and mike pence's chief of staff said john kelly is making up a bunch of crap. who do we believe, multiple eyewitnesses or disgruntled ex employee. i think everything john kelly said is not true. john kelly didn't come out of his own volition, he talked to kamala harris campaign beforehand. why are the media and why is kamala harris talking about a disgruntled former employee instead of the fact that grocery prices are up 25% in the state of michigan? instead of talking about something that happened five years ago, when she cast a vote and made housing, energy and groceries unaffordable for the

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-- >> john kelly -- >> john kelly issued a warning. >> john kelly said the previous president praised and all filter and private. >> made admiring statements about hitler. >> he would praise adolf hitler, the nazi leader who orchestrated the murder of 16 million jews. >> john kelly said the former president but the definition of a fascist. >> he meets the definition of a fascist. >> the definition of a fascist. >> john kelly use the words fascist and dictator. he went on to say trump didn't understand the constitution. >> keep in mind, john kelly was a longest-serving chief of staff for donald trump. >> and the trump campaign is not happy. >> so that is what millions of americans heard on their local news stations this week. still one of the most trusted sources of news out there in the country. so if you think this is also sort of cable chattering class democratic fixation, it isn't. i mean, according to a new poll from abc news, after the country sees trump is a fascist. according to a new siena poll, 76% of the country believes american democracy is under threat. and yet, there's n

john kelly is a low life and bad general who advice in the white house i no longer sought and i told ly when he leaves the military he will only speak well of you. i said thank you. obviously, former general has exemplary record and chief of staff and homeland security. >> very respected in the military in political circles and just as an outstanding human being and by both sides of the aisle. look, this is not surprising what have you just read from the former president when you look at how close this race is, it doesn't surprise his supporters and it doesn't matter to his supporters. and for people on my side of the aisle, that makes us drop our jaw when he -- you know, makes a comment about, anything in adoration of hitler. when he does the name-calling which just seems so juvenile whether it's new scum my governor of california or not being able to pronounce the current vice president's name kamala. i'm not surprised that, you know, he would say this. anybody who says anything negative about him, even if they were within his inner circle, he comes back and insults them. that seems

>> john kelly also spoke with the atlantic. kelly says that he wants asked donald trump, then president trump about his statement that he had generals like hitler had surely you can't mean hitler's generals. kelly asked him trump responded that that is exactly what he hee meant. yeah, yeah, hitler's generals joining us right now is republican governor of new hampshire, governor chris sununu. it's good to see you, governor, thanks for being here hearing that mean, does that change how you feel about donald trump and your plans to vote for him? >> no. look, i respect general kelly. i think he's great. he's got a long-term relationship with the president when you get into these final weeks, it's all about, it's all about results. so of course you're gonna get salacious thing said and all that. and i'm not taking away the generals conversation with the former president. but at the end of the day you just what that poll that your team was just looking at upending independence, what results they don't want that kind of ultra, ultra li

it is a big advantage from people who do not have that. >> but overnight, far harsher words from john kellylongest serving chief of staff, someone at his side for nearly a year and a half. in scathing comments and audio interviews with the new york times, kelly said trump behind the scenes display the tendencies of a fascist. >> certainly in authoritarian, admires people who are dictators. he falls into the general definition of a fascist for sure. >> the retired marine general says he will not endorse a candidate in the election. >> that is an enemy from within. that is really, that is a threat to democracy. >> but said trump's recent comments about using the military against domestic political opponents motivated him to speak out. >> i think this issue of, of using the military to go after american citizens is one of those things i think is a very very bad thing, even to say it for political purses to get elected is a very bad thing. let alone actually doing it. >> kelly, who said trump would likely try to govern as a dictator if given another term, recalled trump repeatedly praising hitl

he saw trump's conduct, and we've heard from john kelly a number of time over the last three years. why was this particular moment so different for him? >> i think that kelly decided he would speak out under two different circumstances. one, if trump said something about him, or related to him that was wildly inaccurate. or if trump said something that he thought was dangerous or offensive or damaging to the country. and he saw what trump said about using the military on american citizens. that's a real red line for kelly. i think kelly sees the divide between the military and the american people and civilians and the american military in the united states as mutually consequential. and that same tension is inside of him when he's deciding whether to speak. he still sees himself as a uniformed military officer, albeit a retired one. so the tension in him is that he doesn't want himself to get involved in politics. he doesn't want to be involved in partisan politics. he hates partisan politics. the same side, the other side of the coin, he also thinks that using the american military

>> i think mark milley and john kelly are disgruntled employees.y many of the things they accuse donald trump of, people who were in the room at the time some of those comments have made have said explicitly donald trump did not say the things he was accused of and, look, donald trump was president for four years, if he was what john kelly said he was then why did donald trump deliver peace and prosperity. he didn't arrest his political opponents as kamala harris and the department of the justice have in fact done. there's no evidence of that. they've not gone after political opponents. >> the current department of justice under kamala harris and joe biden has absolutely been going after the political opponents of the current democratic party and i think it's a disgrace and that's happening. >> there's no evidence that the doj is going after their political opponents. donald trump was indicted by federal grand juries. let me ask you, though, you said they're disgruntled employees. trump praised both kelly and milley and said kelly was, quote, one o

these are the kinds of things that john kelly has talked about.e saw it probably more than anybody else. we should believe him. not just him, believe rex tillerson. john bolton, mcmaster, all these people worked around him had for quite public. and it's obvious why they are concerned. he's embraced vladimir putin. he's embraced kim jong-il, kim jong-un. host: but explain the word embraced. guest: he seems to be much more comfortable talking to these autocrats that he is with allies. in other words, he didn't distinguish between friend and foe. he was more critical of angela merkel and justin trudeau and he was of vladimir putin and kim jong-un. we have allies and friends and shared interests and values. you'd think we would embrace them more than people who try to undermine american foreign-policy interest all around the globe. that is what i thought was so stunning. i thought that is probably but those individuals them stunning. host: let's talk to callers and start with bob, atlanta. caller: thank you for your program. sarah, i served in the mil