amy: that is john kiriakou.selyn radack, he just came out of prison after two years under house arrest now for how much longer? >> for 40 more days. amy: so talk about what he has just said and how what he has done compares to what general petraeus has done. >> i think john makes a very good point. he was the first cia officer to confirm that the u.s. had a torture program and that we were waterboarding people and that torture was a regular practice, not some rogue pastime. like john kiriakou, thomas drake revealed surveillance programs in their embryonic stages, much like what edward snowden years later revealed in their full fruition. in other words, these people have revealed some of the biggest scandals of my generation, including torture and secret surveillance, and have also revealed information like in the case of jeff sterling and in the case of stephen kim, that was embarrassing to the administration. and that is precisely why they are being punished with drug connie and law -- draconian law but the esp