. >> good evening, commissioners, john kwan from the department of public works. as an administrative note, the permit currently under appeal is 11 mff 018590085. specifically as a matter of correction. again, i have to go back and provide a little background related to the mobile food facilities program. the mobile food facilities program was a piece of legislation passed by the board of supervisors in december of 2010 which became effective january 2011, in the legislation it was very specific upon the passage of legislation, all applicants with current permits from the police department must, within 90 days, come to the department of public works and acquire new permits because their permits then would cease to exist in those specific cases. the department worked in the next several months to complete the program and were able

. >> thank you, commissioners, john kwan from public works once again. well, the department recognizes the difficulty that mr. ascarrunz has in this specific case. again, the department received information from him for a renewal on november 4, 2011. ok. on our letter when we -- on the courtesy letter we provided at the various applicants we have on record from the san francisco police department stating clearly after june 7, 2011, all permits expire and you have to renew or reapply under the current public works code. this was to try to provide a certain level of fairness to future applicants and also current applicants. there is nothing currently that would prevent this applicant who had a s.f.p. permit denied by the department to apply for a new location through the new process. again, recognizing that this was one of those odd situations where according to our records the police department permit was issued september 8, 2010, it was a very short time frame and could very well be the police department wasn't able to place this information within their

john and laura, back to you. >> christianity, thank you very much. >>. >>> mayor kwan is condemning another attack by anonymous. the group pulled personal information off the website, including addresses and phone numbers and posted them on the web. >> they got the families and homes because these terrorists are posting their information on the internet, in an effort to tell them how to get their job. >> the activists say the protests are over the treatment over the demonstrators. >>> it will not be the final word. a panel of judges on the ninth circuit court of appeals saying proposition 8 is unconstitutional. last night there was celebration in the district's castro district. guy rights groups know at this point this is only another step in their legal journey that will likely end with the u.s. supreme court. legal analysts say there are still many options. >> the prop 8 backers would ask for a review by the entire ninth circuit. but if that doesn't go forward, they then would seek review in the united states supreme court. but if the united states supreme court does not hear the issue, then it won't go back

sure so is that of the whole kwan fang thing and all that true that that there is democracy in nature but nonetheless this is the evolution of democracy and what and what john locke wrote in his state of nature was men living according to reason without a common superior off on earth to judge between them and that is properly the uniquely human state of nature right now there is reason that idea of locks was taken by risotto and voltaire and and turned into the enlightenment a truly revolutionary period of time the end and this was when we saw the real clear definition of liberal and conservative the british were the conservatives the kingdom the liberals were the revolutionaries here in the united states and oddly enough you had a. americans who fundamentally were conservatives alexander hamilton john adams and you had americans who were fundamentally liberals john james madison and thomas jefferson the most well known and what the difference between the two was that these guys thought the people were basically evil and therefore you had to have the appearance of democracy but not too much and that therefore the compromise for example when they wrote the c