and if we lose somebody as talented and as good as john geddis, our managing editor and john landon who played a significant role in the jason blair incident, all of a sudden the wheels are going to fly off the cart. never happens. newspaper is -- it's an organic process that emerges from the space between people. and the "new york times", as i learned quickly when i got there, is certainly -- does not depend on any single person to be what it is. i've experience where had -- i've been up against -- they don't generally hand me deadline matters, but a couple of times i've been in tight corners and really up against impossible odds in terms of getting the copy and making sure it's effacacious and have people come and pick me up. >> there are always new people who can do that sort of thing. >> i would read it in the morning and think it's hard to believe that i was involved actually. [laughter] >> don't you think the reason that we've gotten to pay such close attention to things like what just happened at the times or the decision by time warntory spin off the time magazine group is becau