i'm joined by my guess, john laughlin in paris. he's a university lecture in history and political philosophy in nashville. we have thomas schwartz. he is a professor of political science and european studies at vanderbilt university. and here in moscow we have dmitri so slow. he's the deputy director of the center for comprehensive european and international studies at the higher school of economics . i totally cross talk roles and effects. that means you can jump in anytime you want. and i always appreciate, let me go to john 1st in paris we have it impasse, not the 1st time in the repeating union when it comes to foreign policy. last time we had the semblance of good relations was back in 2014, before the 4th regime change, and it's been downhill ever since. so where do we stand right now? and i want to talk, ask on our, our panelists, dmitri, why should we even care anymore? it's been 7 years. i mean, what's the point we've gotten used to not being together? go ahead, john. well, let's, let's remind ourselves that the european

i'm joined by my guess, john laughlin in paris. he's a university lecture in history and political philosophy in nashville. we have thomas schwartz. he is a professor of political science and european studies at vanderbilt university. and here in moscow we have dmitri so slow. he is the deputy director of the center for comprehensive european and international studies. at the higher school of economics . i totally cross talk roles and effects. that means you can jump in anytime you want. and i always appreciate let me go to john 1st in paris we have an impasse, not the.

i want exactly now to bring in john laughlin. he is in international affairs unless we want to get his expert opinion, john with the top you on the program. the 1st thing i want to ask you is obviously the u. s. keep talking about we want the escalation, but the real, the kind of the catch was that keep coming out of stable unreliable. but in your opinion, how does the us even understand those was what does it mean to washington? well, the right to ask that question because i'm sure you know, and those are expect your view is know as well. one of the big differences between moscow and washington over recent years and decades has been precisely that the russians who develop the on predictability that those are what taken more from a lab rocks mouth than from anyone else. russia has been arguing now for at least 10 years for such predictability and stability. so when washington went on the job biden, the ministration started to use those very words. i must say that i did think of it as a concession to russia because russia has worke