they also thought, and especially john leeland, one of the great leaders, one of the most popular preachers in virginia at the time thought it was an oxy mormon to talk about a christian nation or an o bomb nation. if i get preferment or even protection because i'm a christian, it's a specie of idolatry. okay? i worship god because i worship god. if i get anything from the government for worshiping god, it's idolatry, so leeland is preaching. jesus says the regime is not of this world. give to caesar what is caesars, keep government out, and now john fea talks more about that i'm sure as his book points out, things change. i'll answer questions about that, but for the 18th centuries evangelicals in virginia at the first amendment, no christian nation. second is separation of church and state making it clear we want the government out. now, mind you this is different. jefferson wants the church out of the government. these people want the government out of the church, but they come together in their views. presbyterians right no law should pass to connect church and state in future. a preach