items that they say only cost this, it only costs that, it matters. >> joining me are co-hosts john lovettw book, democracy or else, how to save america in 10 easy steps. writing a book, doing a podcast, you guys have been very busy. >> we sure have. it's good to see you. >> hello john lovett, good to see you. let me start with that split screen. donald trump has been sitting in a courtroom all week, he's been having some crazy rants when he comes out of the courtroom, joe biden has basically been doing presidential things, he's on the campaign trail, he's in the situation room. we don't pay close attention to this. is it going to matter? >> if you are inclined to consume political news, which unfortunately not most of the country, yes, it really matters to you, but if you are not, you probably hit up bob headlines as you scan the news. all of this is cumulative, this is an election that will be decided on the margins. six or seven months from now, as the trial continues, people will make up their minds, it will have some effect.>> does anything this far out matter? i think it is a useful