let's go to our investigator, john lucich. john, how are we going to be able to find that out if one of the creeps videotaped this? >> they're going to get search warrants. once they identify these people, they will start checking everybody's cell phones, there's no doubt about it. they will have developed enough probable cause moving forward. this is one of the sickest crime that's could happen. and especially what makes it worse is that a lot of individuals just sat there and just watched this horrific crime by these animals, and it makes them just as bad. like your other expert said, one person shoving somebody and saying, stop this could have ended the whole thing. it could have shift thad ded th dynamic. that didn't happen. everybody deserves to go down on this. >> let's go to our attorney courtney pilchman. courtney, about somebody videotaping this, what kind of laws are broken there? what kind of punishment do we have with that? >> again, nothing. what you have is evidence gathering for sure. john talked about this earli

to john lucich, former criminal investigator and president of high-tech crime network. he says he actually told "the insider" that he could not get access to his bank account. okay? my mother, who is in her 70s, knows how to access her bank account on the computer. i know how to do it. and he, the i.t. expert, the computer wiz, cannot get access to his bank account? b.s. now, telling me that makes me suspicious. >> oh, there's no doubt about it. in fact, what may have occurred -- and again, there's a lot we don't know about. maybe she changed the password and he couldn't get in, which led him to hack into that. now, if he's an account holder on that and he has authorization to get into that account and use that account, then it's not actually hacking. and as far as all the other allegations against this guy, where they're saying that he may have violated wiretap laws, all the things they talked about are stored communications. those communications are not in transit. e-mail, voicemail messages, all stored communications and none of those actually violate the wiretap. th

john lucich, i think that's the key here. if the wife made it clear her husband's got the gun, has the intruder cornered, isn't that enough? how do you see this? >> i was a cop for 17 years and know how hard it's been, almost six years in uniform. i know firsthand how difficult this kind of job can be. what upsets me about the case is the word "mistakenly shoot somebody" six times. that can't happen. you mistakenly shoot someone once, i unction thcan understan. i wouldn't be surprised if you see an agency with a higher jurisdiction coming in and taking a look at the case and re-reviewing the actions of the officer. there were several things not followed to policy. how can they clear him on that? one more point, when it comes down to the case the wife told him he had the gun, that cop had no idea going in if the situation didn't change and the bad guy took the gun. we have to take a look at what happened in the room to spark the shooting. >> another call in. cynthia in louisiana. your question? >> caller: when the police went

to john lucich, former criminal investigator and president of high-tech crime network. he says he actually told "the insider" that he could not get access to his bank account. okay? my mother, who is in her 70s, knows how to access her bank account on the computer. i know how to do it. and he, the i.t. expert, the computer wiz, cannot get access to his bank account? b.s. now, telling me that makes me suspicious. >> oh, there's no doubt about it. in fact, what may have occurred -- and again, there's a lot we don't know about. maybe she changed the password and he couldn't get in, which led him to hack into that. now, if he's an account holder on that and he has authorization to get into that account and use that account, then it's not actually hacking. and as far as all the other allegations against this guy, where they're saying that he may have violated wiretap laws, all the things they talked about are stored communication ps. those communications are not in transit. e-mail, voicemail messages, all stored communications and none of those actually violate the wiretap.

john lucich is with us. talk about the investigation here in trying to piece together what happened, how does this little boy get in there and get untethered and end up in the air but more importantly, at this hour, how do we find him? >> well, you know, it's a matter of searching at this point. you take a look at this type of aircraft, experimental aircraft field with helium that is a balloon when it comes down to it. but, the shape of this has an aerodynamic shape that enables this to be tossed by the wind. remember, this may -- it was reported it was moving as much as 25 knots through the air. but, as this aircraft moves through the air, convection or wind currents or wind gusts could actually be able to bank this aircraft left and right. early reports said there may have been a box attached to the bottom of this aircraft in which the child got into this box. now, if that box was not attached to the aircraft when it was landed and the little kid was not found inside. that box, somewhere, fell off. if that

to john lucich, former criminal investigator and president of high-tech crime network. he says he actually told "the insider" that he could not get access to his bank account. okay? my mother, who is in her 70s, knows how to access her bank account on the computer. i know how to do it. and he, the i.t. expert, the computer wiz, cannot get access to his bank account? b.s. now, telling me that makes me suspicious. >> oh, there's no doubt about it. in fact, what may have occurred -- and again, there's a lot we don't know about. maybe she changed the password and he couldn't get in, which led him to hack into that. now, if he's an account holder on that and he has authorization to get into that account and use that account, then it's not actually hacking. and as far as all the other allegations against this guy, where they're saying that he may have violated wiretap laws, all the things they talked about are stored communications. those communications are not in transit. e-mail, voicemail messages, all stored communications and none of those actually violate the wiretap. th

to john lucich, former criminal investigator and president of high-tech crime network. he says he actually told "the insider" that he could not get access to his bank account. okay? my mother, who is in her 70s, knows how to access her bank account on the computer. i know how to do it. and he, the i.t. expert, the computer wiz, cannot get access to his bank account? b.s. now, telling me that makes me suspicious. >> oh, there's no doubt about it. in fact, what may have occurred -- and again, there's a lot we don't know about. maybe she changed the password and he couldn't get in, which led him to hack into that. now, if he's an account holder on that and he has authorization to get into that account and use that account, then it's not actually hacking. and as far as all the other allegations against this guy, where they're saying that he may have violated wiretap laws, all the things they talked about are stored communications. those communications are not in transit. e-mail, voicemail messages, all stored communications and none of those actually violate the wiretap. th

to john lucich, former criminal investigator and president of high-tech crime network. he actually told "the insider" that he could not get access to his bank account. okay? my mother, who is in her 70s, knows how to access her bank account on the computer. i know how to do it. and he, the i.t. expert, the computer wiz, cannot get access to his bank account? b.s. now, telling me that makes me suspicious. >> oh, there's no doubt about it. in fact, what may have occurred -- and again, there's a lot we don't know about. maybe she changed the password and he couldn't get in, which led him to hack into that. now, if he's an account holder on that and he has authorization to get into that account and use that account, then it's not actually hacking. and as far as all the other allegations against this guy, where they're saying that he may have violated wiretap laws, all the things they talked about are stored communications. those communications are not in transit. e-mail, voicemail messages, all stored communications and none of those actually violate the wiretap. there may

. >> john lucich, president of high-tech crime network, i don't understand why they're not getting pings on her cell phone to pinpoint where she was that night. what's the problem? >> the problem is she probably did have her cell phone off. that phone registers with the mtso, the mobile telephone switching office, as it moves around from cell site to cell site. they will be able to see where she was at any given time by looking at the records at each mtso. now, if that cell phone is off -- you know, there have been so many cases out there where people know about cell phones, that she probably did turn it off for this case. >> to marc klaas, founder of klaaskids foundation, hey, marc, as an aside, isn't it true you can now put a chip in your kid's cell phone and turn on your computer and actually see where they are? have you heard about that? >> you don't have to put a chip in your kid's cell phone. the vast majority of cell phones come gps enabled and the vast majority, or the major cell phone carriers have a pretty low-cost and quite effective child locator plan where you can go on to t

. >> john lucich, president of high-tech crime network, i don't understand can quh y. they're not getting pings on her cell phone to pinpoint where he should was that night. what's the problem? >> the problem is she probably did have her cell phone off. that phone registers with the mtso, the mobile telephone switching office, as it moves around from cell site to cell site. they will be able to see where she was at any given time by looking at the records at each mtso. if the cell phone is off -- there have been so many cases out there where people know about cell phones that she probably did turn it off for this case. j to marc klaas, founder of klaaskids foundation, hey, marc, as an aside, isn't it true you can now put a chip in your kid's cell phone and turn on your computer and actually see where they are? have you heard about that? >> you don't have to put a chip in your kid's cell phone. the vast majority of cell phones come gps enabled and the vast majority, or the major cell phone carriers have a pretty low-cost and quite effective child locator plan where you

. >> john lucich, president of high-tech crime network, i don't understand why they're not getting pingsre she was that night. what's the problem? >> the problem is she probably did have her cell phone off. that phone registers with the mtso, the mobile telephone switching office, as it moves around from cell site to cell site. they will be able to see where she was at any given time by looking at the records at each mtso. now, if that cell phone is off -- you know, there have been so many cases out there where people know about cell phones, that she probably did turn it off for this case. >> to marc klaas, founder of klaaskids foundation, hey, marc, as an aside, isn't it true you can now put a chip in your kid's cell phone and turn on your computer and actually see where they are? have you heard about that? >> you don't have to put a chip in your kid's cell phone. the vast majority of cell phones come gps enabled and the vast majority, or the major cell phone carriers have a pretty low-cost and quite effective child locator plan where you can go on to the internet and do certain things.

also back with us, john lucich, criminal investigator and commercial pilot as we talk about this kid teaching himself how to fly. and the reporter at the everett herald will be joining us as well. is jackson with us? not yet, okay. let's start with john here. john, the kid's 18. i think a lot of people think, wait a minute, how is an 18-year-old outsmarting authorities at this point and still running around as a fugitive? >> not only is an ex-cop, but flight instructor, okay? let me just say this. the this kid either has, number one, prior experience in aviation, or number two, he's working with somebody else. to take off in an airplane without any instruction is a feat in itself and not kill yourself. but to do it three separate times? one time, according to authorities, he ran out of fuel. that's a very investigateful situation for somebody who has experience flying. forget about somebody who has no experience flying. i've got to believe this guy, either, a, not the suspects and the cops got it wrong, or two, he's working with somebody. >> the way the story goes, we'll get jackson

we do -- john lucich is joining us. have you seen like this before? >> no, it's unfortunate this kid got into this. it should have been more preked. it looks like a balloon that has a specific shape in it. it climbed to 6,000 feet. this kid is 6 years old. this thing is making all types of maneuvers and he may be making part of this or this may be free flowing. this is a very, very dangerous situation not only to the 6-year-old boy but the people on the ground. this thing is moving at a very fast velocity. if this thing goes down and starts down at that velocity or even picks up that velocity this kid could end up dead at the end of the day. >> okay if the faa calls for help. what kind of help do you call for in a situation like this? >> you're going to get some type of airplane that can maneuver very easily alongside this thing and see if they can grasp this thing somehow. doing so may cause damage to that airplane. see if they can lower to the balloon. remember if it gets too close and does something wrong it can puncture this. and this thing is goi