co-ceo john mackay would like to leave health care to the private sector but have companies that careple handle it. that was essentially his new book, consensus. conscious capitalism. all about that. this is the guy all about doing the right thing. john, good to have you. >> thanks, good to be here, neil. neil: we were briefly trying to get to the bottom of the break when you started to getting vocal on these issues. i think you always have been. you have a very strong point of view when it came to the role of government and the private sector. what brought it out or got it really big? was it the campaign? >> i don't think so. i mean, i was very concerned about the health care law. i thought it was going to be bad for business. >> why? >> it will drive up costs. neil: you saw that a lot sooner than a lot of ceos. what got the antenna up. >> i have a great confidence in free enterprise capitalism. when markets are allowed to work and competition occurs, costs tend to go down. you get more choices. we did not have free enterprise capitalism before. we ratcheted up several notches. more

john mccain of arizona, someone who i personally have had the honor to interview back in washington since he was a congressman from the early '80s. welcome, senator. and our wonderful host, pete mackay. and finally, josef joffe. senator, i would like to start with you. the first panel yesterday was looking at this question of a new normal, and the united states' current light footprint strategy. i could literally feel you chomping at the bit as one of the panelists discussed what he saw as the u.s. role in the world being in such a state of flux now. but we are less willing than ever before to step up to try to solve the chaos in the world, especially when there's no pressing national interest. >> first of all, i think we have to as politicians understand what our constituents, what our citizens, what their priorities are and what their concerns are. our former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff made a comment that's been b often quoted, he said our greatest national security threat is our economy. and i think that that is absolutely true. when we have half the homes in my state of arizona still underwater, worth less than the mortgages that they're paying, people, obviously, the