joining me now is paul kedrosky, and john maeda, former president of the rhode island school of designjohn, we've just seen the new phones unveiled at apple. they have encouraged it -- a curved edge, 4.7 and 5.5 inch screen. what do you think of the curved edges? >> that has been forecasted for money years. we see them in tvs, and here we have it. >> is it more comfortable? -- we will bel told is more couple. but it is a brick. >> paul, how about you? >> i'm in the same camp. the televisions didn't excite me, and it's not clear to me that even with the portable devices will change very much. i more adjusted in the dimensions coming out. it's remarkable how much thinner these things are getting. story inre important the end than the curved screen. kudos to apple for shrugging the size. >> how much of a design challenges that, jon, to make the phones that are -- thinner? >> it's huge, given the software -- the hardware inside that thing. a curved surface might fit easier in our pocket. some of it will play out in how we where it and feel it? >> will be more enjoyable? >> slightly. what w