are actually involved in that, the city attorney's office, and i think somebody mentioned that john malamut deals with that. so there was about five or six years ago they brought in some changes where the city are definitely part of that easement. >> that also applies to opening through property lines and things like that, doesn't it? >> you mean communicating openings? >> yeah. >> yeah. we don't really see many communicating openings anymore. >> so does that mean that this -- that the license -- the license is illegal? the whole premise of what we've heard is there is a license with the ballet school and the next-door neighbor, but if you're saying that you require an easement for an exit, then it doesn't matter if you have a license. the license was illegal, and the license was issued by one party or signed by the other party without knowing the full context of -- of the law. >> so i'm just going back. was there an easement before? >> apparently. >> there's no easement. >> there's no easement. >> we're hearing that there's no easement that's been filed and on record with the city, so i --