segment ister the john malcolm. he is a senior legal fellow at the heritage foundation.nky for being with us. >> -- thank you for being with us. >> my pleasure. >> it's went to us what it means to be held in contempt. >> i believe it was 24-12. mr. lerner was at the irs for a number of years, she is in the involvingthis scandal the targeting of conservative organizations. she has appeared a couple of times in front of congress. one she asserted her fifth amendment right. another time, she did something different to my which is she gave a statement about her background and claimed her innocence of any wrongdoing and then she asserted her fifth amendment right. the house has taken the position that by asserting her innocence by making certain statements that she had waived her right to refuse to answer questions. another thing that happened of significance is that her own attorney has made statements that she had given extensive statements to the u.s. government in connection with this investigation. it is the house majority's opinion that by making the statements to the g

host: john malcolm is a senior fellow at the heritage foundation.he first, for this segment comes from houston, texas. pat is on the line for independents. caller: i would like to say that i looked at all of the coverage on c-span yesterday. it is a shame the way the republicans -- i won't say senators, but congressman, treat the witnesses. i don't blame ms. lerner. i would not appear before them at all. her appearance with the justice department is something entirely different. if she chose to go to the justice department and make her case, that is one thing. to appear before all those congressman, who have already decided that she is guilty, and to assert her fifth amendment right, that is right. all she said was she had not broken any laws. i saw that portion. i do not think that that in itself was her fifth amendment right. guest: i certainly respect the opinion of the caller. unfortunately, she really did not have much choice about appearing before congress. she had been subpoenaed. you cannot refuse to appear before congress because you think

john malcolm, your thoughts. guest: we do have constitutional rights. the are therefore very important reasons. however, as with all of our constitutional rights, one can wave them. so the question becomes whether ms. lerner, either by purchasing her innocence before the house committee or to the statements that she gave to the department of justice, whether she has waived them or not, that is a legal question. there is a genuine disagreement, it seems, assuming the person will see what a court of law has to say about it. i don't think that cognition cummings art it -- comments are frivolous. zach is online for republicans. a couple of quick questions and comments. i was a democrat back in the 1980's and then i became a republican. i amreally concerns me is of the moderate side of the republican party. at whatd of horrified the republican party is doing and it is absolutely making me rethink where i stand. i'm thinking of becoming independent. the actual polarization in this action. you are talking constitutional rights. we are talking about this issue

host: john malcolm, what could her punishment be?uest: what is happened at the moment is there is a voting of this committee. the contempt citation will the decided by the full house. if the full house votes to hold her in contempt, then a referral will be made to the department of justice seeking to have her tried for criminal intent by refusing to answer these questions. that has happened. it has happened, but it is rare. if she's is convicted it is a misdemeanor offense, and she could conceivably go to prison for up to a year. if the department of justice refuses to do that, then the house could hire its own attorneys and try to go to court and get her help in civil contempt. if she's held in civil contempt, then a judge could conceivably put her in jail until she purges herself of the contempt by agreeing to testify. host: also on thursday, we heard from the ranking member of the house oversight committee. let's take a look into that. [video clip] >> i would like to be clear. i really would love to hear testimony. i would love to

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on our next washington journal, we will benefit from the heritage foundation john malcolm. jocelyn frye of the center for american progress on white house efforts to combat gender pay inequality. morriswe will talk to jackson about the 50th anniversary of the 1964 civil rights act. washington journal is live each morning. join the conversation on facebook and twitter. >> i think what we needed something akin to the grace commission during the reagan administration, or the bright during the clinton administration. an outside group of integrity, former members of congress. everyone has a piece of legislation or a charter that created. it has a purpose. it should be cut or eliminated. let's take headstart. this came in with the highest motivation. there are three headstart prayed there is enhanced headstart. there is regular headstart replied we have the other two? the first wasn't working. the second was in working. thomas on fixing a broken washington. immediately following afterward, heritage foundation book party. this years national black writers conference, saturday at n

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tomorrow, we will have more about the contempt citation with the heritage foundation's john malcolm. then white house efforts to combat gender pay eight inequality. then maurice jackson about the 50th anniversary of the civil rights act. i think what we need is something akin to the grace commission during the reagan administration or the rack commission -- brack commission during the clinton administration. administration. an outside group to come in and do a complete overhaul. purpose, and if it is not fulfilling that purpose or not doing it within a reasonable budget, it should be cut or eliminated. let's just take headstart. this came in with the highest motivation. do you know -- and i did not until i researched it -- there are now three. early head start, enhanced head start, and regular. why do we have the other two? because the first one was not working. why do we have the third? because the second was not working. >> cal thomas on fixing a broken .ashington immediately afterward, a heritage foundation party for mr. thomas as he signs his book and chats with guests. also this

. >> our guest this segment is john malcolm a senior legal fellow a at the adage foundatio. thank you for being with us this morning. yesterday the house oversight government refund committee voted to hold lois lerner in contempt of congress. explain what that means. i understand that was along party lines? >> guest: it was 24-12 but a straight vote. lois lerner and the irs for a number of years in the tax section she's in the middle of the scandal involving the targeting of conservative organizations who had applied for tax-exempt status. she's appeared at couple of times in front of the congress. once she asserted her fifth amendment right. the other time how much he did something a little bit different. she gave a statement about her background. she had proclaimed her innocence of any wrongdoing, and then she asserted her fifth amendment right and the house has taken a position to buy asserting her instance and making certain statements that she had waived her right to refuse to answer questions. another thing that has happened is of significance is that her own attorney

john a williams said have guns. people told malcolm-x to arm himself.we were not living in a dainty environment here. and what happened at black arts is unfortunate. but that is why a number of us stayed downtown. black people lived longer downtown manhattan than harlem. we have been down there since 1609. so if we live downtown we are at home. >> i was living in chelsea all the time so i missed out on the fun. when people associate me with the black rights movement they associate me without things that i am not responsible for. i want to tell you about another situation. >> i want to comment we had someone in the audience and i want to come up with a question on your freedom way. >> gus newport was the former mayor of berkeley, california. in the '60s, he was known as "school boy". he is a courier for bobby johnson. bobby johnson just got out of sing-sing. and he associated with man who was like the head honcho at the red rooster. this gentlemen opened a place called the truth coffee shop. amiri goes in there and he said at one point i should have been

malcolm young. david newsome. >>> good afternoon, my name is john rodney. i'm the communications manager for the california immigrant policy center. we're a statewide immigrant rights organization and i've had the honor of collaborating very closely with commissioner chan for over sick years and she is essentially a one-person civil rights advocacy operation. ~ six her ethic puts all of us to shame and the best outcome for the community is unassailable. when the young man was facing deportation [speaker not understood], when a san francisco mother was facing deportation for being survivor of domestic violence, angela played [speaker not understood] and her work has really lead to changes that are known not just here locally in california, but nationwide from the trust act to the due process ordinances. and it is really imperative that the board allow her to continue her work. it is not just here the people watching this, but all over the country and i do not exaggerate. so, please reappoint her. >> thank you very much. i just want to remind the audience tha

malcolm, thanks for your time. emily, back to you. >> our senior west coast correspondent, jon erlichman. still ahead, we ask john about his favorite apps and favorite clothing designers. that is coming up. ♪ >> welcome back. i'm emily chang. as the former president of the rhode island school of design and current partner in one of the most prestigious venture capital firms in silicon valley, john maeda has a long and distinguished career in engineering and design. specialth me, he is our guest host for the hour, john maeda. you live at the intersection of technology and art, a place that can get very complicated. is it stressful being who you are? theknow, do you think about design of your table, your chair, and always want it to be better? >> i used to. i lived in tokyo for a while and swiss typography company for a while, and that is double. it is like making things 0.001 perfect on the page. and then i broke out of it and i went reddish style. british style is free. >> so you let go a little bit. >> a lot. >> what apps are on your phone? what do you focus on? >> design is not just an aesthetic experience. jun

sir richard branson, and malcolm said elon musk and i didn't make the cnbc 25 list nor did john mcphee kevin beat me to the punch with dik bold. jamie also has run and helped build the defining commercial bank, jpmorgan. he's presided over this thing with a great persona. >> no other man in resent history as had more impact than bold. vilification of the wealthy. government being negative on businesses. the leveraging of banks all from that ground zero. >> what steve job means to apple is what qualm means to samsung. >> we'll hand it over to melissa lee and the "fast money" crew. >> we start off with twitters conference call beginning right now. shares coming in slightly better than expected. investors are looking for stronger user growth. listening on the call. he'll be with us for the full hour. ebay, also moving low after hours as that conference call begins. we will brick you more straight ahead. our trades are tim, ryan, steve and pete. we kick it