senator john markey of massachusetts has proposed legislation for car safety. but our next guest says mandating security would not work. john ellis was a former global technologist at the ford motor company. john good to have you on the show. thank you for being with us. let me ask you this. if the answer isn't enacting laws to have the auto industry take this seriously, why don't the biggest ten auto makers encrypt and use the seam system we use in online banking? >> first off, thank you very much for having me. a number of different reasons, the biggest reason is the automotive economy is a big economy, not just auto makers but second and third parts, they are conscious of the impact you have on the broader community. your ability to take your car and get it repaired by anybody at any time could be impacted. they are cautious with how they fix it, the alliance came out with the statement that regulation is not what they need. >> i get it i know these ma and pa repair shops need to get up to speed, we faced it with abs and air bags, guys like me would say, goo