so this is how john marshall gets the job in february. another man very important in marshall's life is the winner of the election of 1800, thomas jefferson. marshall's second cousin once removed. -- he would twist anything marshall, jefferson warned joseph story before he got on the court. that you must never give a direct answer to any question that marshall asked. secretly directing this behind the scenes. and writing waves and popular sentiment to serve his own popularity. he also thought jefferson had been a disloyal secretary of state. serving george washington's foreign policy is with one hand while undermining them with another. in march 2018 or one, the one cousin, the chief justice, swears in the other cousin. the new president. now, marshall, to a court there were only six justices in those days. they were all federalist and have all been appointed by washington or adams. but in only 11 years after jeffersons administration and james madison, the partisan balance of the court is changed from two federalists to five republicans.

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andrea cohen / john marshall high school teacher: we have 46, 45, 50 students in a class, in academic classes. it's unacceptable.los angeles unified, serving more than 600,000 students, gave teachers its latest offer on friday.a reduction of middle and high school english and math classes to a maximum of 39 students.the district also offered capping grades four to six at 35 students per class. gina alarcon's daughter ava is in fourth grade and the problem is not just class size. gina alarcon / parent of 4th grader: my daughter is an avid reader, and there's a lot of times where the library is not open because there's not a librarian on campus.the district's latest offer includes providing more library services, staff, and nurses at elementary schools but the union says this whole offer, including a six-percent pay raise, is only good for one year.and the decision to strike,wendy ron / 2nd grade teacher, maori anna elementary school: this is a sacrifice for me. i am not getting paid while i'm out here. i have a mortgage. i have tuition as well. i have two students in college. so, i am

we spoke with richard brookhouse about his new book, john marshall, the man who made the supreme courtart with where we have today. marshall's view of the supreme court shaped america for centuries yet the acting attorney general disagreed with his view of the supreme court. what do you make of that s? >> that's an opinion out there but it's a wrong withiopinion. marshall didn't invent judicial review. people were familiar with that, people had written about it. he made it happen for the first time, 1803 decision where he was scolding the jefferson administration. he said they should have given a man an appointment to which he was entitled, but he could not give william the redress he sought because the law he was appealing to was unconstitutional. >> what was the court's role in american life back then and who was john marshall? how did he get there? >> the court's role was kind of small. the chief justiceship became vacant. adams lost his re-election. as lame duck, he was trying to stuff people in his party in as many jobs as he could. then he gets a letter from the chief justice, my

john marshall. >> john marshall high school. >> reporter: high schoolteacher. >> yes. >> reporter: whytriking? >> i'm striking for what you just said. we're striking for more resources in the classroom, on the school sites. there's no class that should have 46 or 50 people in a class. we have that. we're striking for lower class sizes. we're striking for fully staffed schools. that means nurses, librarians, more counselors, psychiatric social workers and their interns. we're lucky we have that here. >> reporter: yeah. >> a lot of schools don't. >> reporter: i can tell you right now, people are going to be watching this at home and say, here are the teachers going, whining again. we showed a statistic that said, on average, teachers in los angeles make about $80,000. people watching at home, what do you say to them about the message about, this is about resources? what do you have to say to people that say, you know, what are you doing here? >> like i said, we're here because we want more teachers on the school sites. we want lower class sizes, which means austin beutner, the superinten

amy: and this is 17-year-old andrew montoya, a senior at john marshall high. >> we could have 40 kids upwards of like 48 in some of my classes. that is a hard learning environment for anyone. and for a teacher to organize, you know? can you putlanc, this in context we look at the history of this strike and the red wave around the country? why is this happening now? is it at all significant that a new governor of california is now in charge, gavin newsom? >> yeah, i think that fundamentally, the struggle is part of a nationwide struggle of education. last year, you might remember it was said that, well, the strikes were red state revolt. it was in the lowest paid states, republican states. what we assume with this movement corrupting and los angeles, the same problems of underfunding, privatization, the wages, that is clearly a nationwide problem and been imposed by austerity by both republicans and democrats. i think the significance is twofold. on the one hand, made clear this is a struggle of teachers and educators across the country and i think in particular, the question of f priv

this is part of the proclamation >>> this brings us to john marshall high school, you probably recognize it, since this fagade, the classic gothic fagade has been used in a number of movies. and this is kirkpatrick, one of our heroes, when the japanese were taken out of john marshall high school, and put in the assembly center, he said this is wrong, he had his teachers mail to their students their textbooks, a high school teacher who was there proffered their tests, and allowed them to graduate with the summer class of 90 -- 1942, one of the propositions of the ito family is this diploma that he delivered to my mother, she graduated with the class of 1942, unlike many many other nissei, they amended the education code to award the high school diplomas to the professor hirsch -- nissei that did not have this opportunity. i have the commencement program for the kids who walked across the stage, in june 1942, and my mother's name is in that program.>> [ applause ] >> japanese-americans were allowed to leave if they could find a college that would take them, my mother got to go to the metho

. >> mostly john marshall. >> and also john marshall. >> but jefferson is opposed to these midnight appointments. they were called midnight because it seemed like they were the last-minute kind of thing, lame-duck appointments. and of course, that was a mistake. abigail just, whoosh! rushes to her husband's defense and writes a very strong, angry letter back. jefferson tries to explain and he must have, at that point, wondered, what have i got myself in for. and he finally -- a couple of exchanges and finally he just stops. and the relationship is not recovered until 1812, through the efforts of benjamin rush, a mutual friend who works two years to bring these two former friends together. >> a great physician. and then john adams enters the fray by telling jefferson, i had nothing to do with these letters, right? >> that's right. >> he says this -- well, he's saying it to abigail -- or he's -- no, actually, he's saying it to us. he knows we're going to be reading this, okay? >> i knew nothing about this exchange at the time and have nothing more to say about it at this time. >> right. >> they, y

sitting facing the court until they call you up to be sworn in, you sit in the seat second by john marshall who is one of the most influential justices of the supreme court, one of the earliest justices. at any rate, as i was sitting there i i was looking at my mom and i was looking at my entire family, and most of my lifelong friends. they had come from around the world literally. my entire family had come from puerto rico. and in that moment i realized that no matter how successful you are, it's really only meaningful if your familyil and friends come with you. if they share your life with you, then that is success. there are a lot of people who work very, very hard and you are very, very successful but they sort of breakaway from the people who really started with them. and i've never done that. success to you is measured by how much people walk along with you, not by who you leave behind. and i hope i have left very few people, if any, behind tron what i know your mother is down it with you in miami. >> guest: she is. she'sut the smart one, she's inside staying cool. it's a little hot o

all they are demanding more spending to reduce class sizes martha attwell has taught english at john marshall high school for twenty three years i have over forty students in the class and we have students teachers here who have classes that actually have over fifty students tens of thousands of teachers and their supporters rallied in front of the l.a. city hall california is among the richest of the fifty us states but ranks forty third in terms of the amount of public funds spent per student half as much as new york on only wore on the school board says it can't afford all the unions demands in part due to the heavy cost of pension and health benefits provided to retired teachers we are in discussions with the governor with the mayor with the state superintendent of public education because it is our desire to have all of our educators well supported while schools remain open during the strike staffed by administrative personnel substitute teachers and parent volunteers. many parents are concerned about their children's safety and about the quality of instruction they'll receive while thei

we learn about the lives of frederick douglass and john marshall. total general stanley mcchrystal and democratic senator, kamala harris. they reflect on their lives. author and white house reporter april ryan, lead the discussion on race in america. that is all this holiday weekend, three days of nonfiction authors and books. for a complete schedule please visit booktv.org.you can also follow us on social media for schedule updates and more at booktv. >> every year, booktv covers book fairs and festivals around the country. more than 300 today. here's a look at some upcoming book fairs and festivals. the rancho mirage writers festival happening january 30 through february 1 in california. then on february 16 over 40 authors will be speaking on the savanna book festival in georgia. on march 2 and third, the 11th annual tucson festival of books held at the university of arizona. later that month, the virginia festival of the book takes place in charlottesville. for more information about upcoming book fairs and festivals, and to what previous festiva

we'll learn about the lives of frederick doug has and the supreme court justice john marshall.california democratic senator kamala harris reflects on her life, and april ryan leads a discussion on race in america. that's all this holiday weekend, three days of nonfiction authors and books. for a complete schedule, visit booktv.org. you can also follow us on social media for schedule updates and more @booktv. now we kick off this long weekend with journalist christine lagorio-chafkin on the growth and culture of the web site reddit. [inaudible conversations] >> hello. [laughter] >> well, so thank you for coming. it's very exciting to be among so many friends and strangers and c-span. so it's

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john marshall, the fourth chief justice, was largely responsible as he understood what judicial review was and the limitations on the judiciary and he was the framer of the role of the supreme court, particularly in using the constitution and making it a document for the ages. host: jack, independent, salt lake city, utah. caller: i have loved following you and love your position on the constitution. something has bothered me for so many years going back to the o.j. simpson trial. you were on "crossfire" and said it was reasonable for the defense to live in a tribe -- lie in a trial because the prosecution lies. guest: i would never say that. that is never proper for a defense attorney to lie. what i said was, i think some defense attorneys do live because they see -- lie because they see prosecutors lie and think that is the way to level the playing field. i disagree. the ase, we did not -- case, we only put on scientist where the other side put on witnesses with .uestionable p under no circumstances can a criminal defense attorney ever lie in court and i believe they should not lie o

we have next to me nadine strossen who is the john marshall arlen second professor of law at new york law school. from 1991-2008, she served as president of the aclu, the first woman to hold that position in that organization. of particular relevance here, nadine's book, "hate: why should we resist it with free speech, not censorship," was just published this past may. to my immediate left, we have our moderator, jamal greene . and jamaal is the dwight professor of law at columbia law school. his scholarship and teaching focuses on the structure of legal an additional argument. next to him, we have floyd abrams , one of the nations foremost thinkers, speakers, authors and litigators on first amendment issues. he has argued frequently in the supreme court representing major media and news outlets, including the new york times in the pentagon papers case, and appearing as amicus on behalf of senator mitch mcconnell, et al, and the citizens united case. and finally, we have our very frequent speaker here at the city bar. our member, trey, who was appointed chair and commissioner of the n

we look at the lives of frederick douglass and supreme court justice, john marshall. retired general stanley mcchrystal and california democratic senator, kamala harris. both reflect on their lives and author and white house reporter, april ryan leads a discussion on race in america. this holiday weekend, three days of nonfiction authors and books. for a complete schedule, visit booktv.org. also follows on social media for schedule updates and more at booktv. >> booktv attends numerous book fairs and festivals throughout the year. recently, we are at the national press club book fair in washington d.c.. spoke with elaine weiss about suffragist history. >> the women's hour is the name of the book. elaine weiss is the author. booktv has covered your book. but we have not talked to you since a big shout out. what happened? >> well, secretary hillary clinton, read the book. and found the story compelling and important. a story that we don't know very well. how women actually won the right to vote, had to fight for it for over seven decades. and she found it a very importa

martha attwell has taught english at john marshall high school for twenty three years i have over forty students in the class and we have students teachers here who have classes that actually have over fifty students tens of thousands of teachers and their supporters rallied in front of l.a. city hall california is among the richest of the fifty us states but ranks forty third in terms of the amount of public funds spent per student happen as much as new york don't want. the school board says it can't afford all the union's demands in part due to the heavy cost of pension and health benefits provided to retired teachers we are in discussions with the governor with the mayor with the state superintendent of public education because it is our desire to have all of our educators well supported while schools remain open during the strike staffed by administrative personnel substitute teachers and parent volunteers many parents are concerned about their children's safety and about the quality of instruction they'll receive while their teachers are manning the picket lines at el serino middle

we're taking a live look at john marshal high school in los angeles. we'll pull it up.dents were supposed to be in school this morning. they are not because of this. not at this school. more than 1,000 schools in the city. teachers are now on strike. a live report from l.a. we'll talk with the woman running one of the large east teacher's unions. that's next. t teacher's unions that's next. last name is "wehadababyit'saboy." hello? collect call for, mr. bob wehadababyitsaboy. sorry, wrong number. who was that, dear? bob. they had a baby... it's a boy. (smiling) ahhh. if you like saving money, call geico. a fifteen minute call could save you 15% or more on car insurance. ...last name is "wehadababyit'saboy 8lbs3ozmother'sdoingfine." the company who invented car vending machines and buying a car 100% online. now we've created a brand new way for you to sell your car. whether it's a few years old or dinosaur old, we want to buy your car. so go to carvana and enter your license plate, answer a few questions, and our techno-wizardry calculates your car's value and gives you

john marshall is chief justice. and marshall was worried. because jefferson is president. and he's worried that if he tells jefferson, he's got to do this that jefferson sand the republican democrats as they were called, might do something to harm the judiciary and marshall wanted to protect the court. but on the other hand he didn't want to make the federalists mad because they might be back in power pretty soon, too. so he figured a way to split the hairs. marshall said there are three questions for us. he said first, he said did marbury have a right to the commission? he said yes, he did. he said, if his right had been violated, did the law provide a remedy. he said yes. third question, if so, was the proper remedy a writ of mandamus from the supreme court? and to that, he said no. and what he said was, he said if you read it, and one thing robert byrd said to me one time and he was citing harry truman. he said any time you read the constitution, put it down and read it sometime later, you'll find something new. no matter how often i have read this constitution in my li

i also want to thank jennifer marshall, john malcolm, and especially the panelists today. each one of you brings a unique perspective to today's discussion. but we're all united in our shared values of tolerance and mutual respect. i also want a special thanks to emily cowell, director of the richard and helen devos center for religion and civil society for organizing this event and for many years as an attorney dedicated to the protection of religious liberty. i also want to take -- before i start my official remarks, i just want to take a personal moment to say how exceptionally well i thought bill barr did yesterday in his senate confirmation hearing. it really -- i've always believed it, that he is the right person to take over the department of justice and lead us into the next chapter in the department of justice's history. he comes from the perfect place where he's raising his hand, willing to serve but doesn't need the job. that's always a good place to be. i will be happy to hand him the keys to a well-oiled machine at the department of justice and allow him to mo

john marshall is the fourth chief justice. a clause that you all should know about. it says, "and nor shall any state deny to any person the equal protection of the laws." so if congress passes a law or the president issues an executive order that is in conflict with the constitution, the constitution must prevail. ♪ >> vmi was a 150-year-old all-male military college. it had a tremendous endowment, well-connected alumni, four star generals. when you came out of vmi, that was something. >> the virginia military institute was the last all-male state-supported school in the country. 157 years of school tradition as an all-male military academy. >> boys can be troublesome, full of hormones and so forth. i don't mean to make general gender characteristics or generalizations here, but for some young men at that time of their life they need discipline and vmi provided that. >> look at the men that stand before you. they represent the essence of vmi! >> a female high school student wanted to attend vmi, so she brought a case against

so i will quote the great chief justice john marshall. that proposition is simply too extravagant seriously to be maintained. it really is extravagant. with all due respect. how do you avoid the actions of the president of the united states? that sounds to me with all due respect utterly fanciful. >> by legal principle. >> don't you love all the due respect? greta: no one says due respect to me. >> but seriously, if i break into a house, that does not give me legal permission to sell the furniture or sell the house. and if donald trump broke into the white house, he should not benefit from the illegality. otherwise, what it does is encourage people to commit as many broken laws as possible to get in there and then they're immune. >> the problem with your wonderfully creative analogy -- where did you go to law school? this is really good. >> i went to usc. >> oh. university of southern california or south carolina? >> southern california. >> i thought as much. >> hold on. >> that was a compliment. >> my dad paid a lot of money for that tui

moscow was needed to liquidate the action of terrorist groups well i'm joined now by john thing can from the german marshall fund of the united states and has expertise among other things in russia and u.s. relations with turkey it's good to have you on the program jonathan would this meeting between ever won in putin would it be taking place at all if trump had not announced the withdrawal of u.s. troops from syria i think the relationship between putin and heir to one has grown substantially over the last couple years just this past year they've had seven one on one meetings and this is in two thousand and eighteen eighteen phone calls they had one recently so the cooperation between turkey and russia and syria has grown substantially so this conversation opted i think a push to try to address some of the challenges and concerns that turkey sees and also it's an opportunity for russia to solidify what it sees as the right position in syria what do you make of this talk about a buffer zone in northern syria between the turkey and the kurds does that say that turkey is not willing to intervene militarily ag

we are expecting a large picket here at john marshall high school in l.a.t the teachers want is more money in terms of salary. they want smaller class sizes and more nurses, more librarians. they say that the district superintendent, austin buttner, is not negotiating those things in good faith. listen here. >> buttner says that our proposals about more staffing, lower class sizes, more resources and support is rhetoric, because there is no money. we have not had an honest partner in bargaining. this may be rhetoric to buttner but very real to those of us who are educators in lausd, to our students, our parents and family. >> reporter: the l.a. school district says it simply cannot afford the teacher's demands which would, they say, in effect, bankrupt the district within two years. listen here. >> we can not afford everything they are asking for. we hope they will come to the table and tell us what they really want. they can't have everything they are asking for. we know that. they know that. >> reporter: mayor eric garcetti of los angeles, a potential dem

john marshall, the supreme court passed, past some -- something about the indians in georgia and theyverran the president and the president said you did that and now we will force it. --have always been a country if the american people would study the history, if they would understand that. i have seen specials on tv where they interview some college students. they can't even tell you who the vice president is? host: so specifically your optimism doesn't extend to this president? caller: i believe he wants the best for the country, i wish he would not tweet as much as he does. host: are you an agreement over the shutdown the money he wants for the border wall? caller: i don't disagree with them. it's like a rat. if you corner around he will fight. look at israel. israel has a wall. the wall and china doesn't work, fine. .t was only four feet high israel, because they were having a real problem, they built that wall. look at the stats. they have been going -- they're are almost at the point where it is zero percent of people coming into the country. host: that said do you think it is w

well i'm joined now by john thing can from the german marshall fund of the united states jonathan has expertise among other things in russia and u.s. relations with turkey it's good to have you on the program johnson would this meeting between ever won and putin would it be taking place at all if trump had not and now the withdrawal of u.s. troops from syria. i think the relationship between putin and air to one has grown substantially over the last couple years just this past year they've had seven one on one meetings and this is in two thousand and eighteen eighteen phone calls they had one recently so the cooperation between turkey and russia and syria has grown substantially so this conversation these conversations have been taking place regardless of what's taken place in the united states by president but of course the u.s. pull out of syria's prompted i think a push to try to address some of the challenges and concerns that turkey sees and also it's an opportunity for russia to solidify what it sees as the right position in syria what do you make of this talk about a buffer zon

correspondent for the marshall project that's a nonprofit journalism organization that examines the criminal justice system john doe bozo co is a writer and former prisoner she is a syndicated columnist and creator of the award winning blog prison diaries she joins us from orange connecticut. lito california we have jessica jackson co-founder and national director of cut fifty a national initiative to reduce the u.s. prison population she was deeply involved in the effort to pass the first step act and from the we are joined by patrice current colors. she is a co-founder of. dignity and power now that still can i say sion advocating for christmas and their families hello what is really good to have you here i guess i want you to look at my laptop trump sign sweeping criminal justice first into law that was from the end of december see the president doing that jessica that moment we did that mean to you well first thing i got to say i was standing there in the oval office when he signed the bill and i was standing next to pico sam and sean hopwood both of whom were incarcerated in federal prison and the moment t

marshall. i'm not asking to achieve but so much more needs to be john and i feel people have to be accountable solutions my name is on the tachyon and i work at g.w. . the mayor of the polish city of good dance has died after being stabbed at a fundraising event a dime of it was a leading figure in poland's opposition movement he was killed by a man who rushed the stage shouting that he blamed the mayor's former party for wrongfully imprisoning him. what british prime minister to reserve me has warned that failure to approve her brags that deal could break up the united kingdom or me said rejecting the deal could strengths.

follow therefore on wednesday if jeremy corbyn can marshal enough support in parliament for a majority well that would trigger a general election john i thank you very much for that of course we will continue to follow all the developments in this crisis in the u.k. here on al-jazeera john holl reporting there live from london moving on to other news and french president emmanuel michel has launched a two month nationwide debate aimed at tackling the so-called yellow vests protests in an open letter published in french newspapers he said he would listen to ideas but want he will not back down from his twenty seven thousand election promises france has been hit by more than two months of yellow vest demonstrations which began over a huge price hike across letter touches on a variety of issues including taxation citizenship and democracy that has reaction from paris. what the french president is hoping for with his letters to try and quell the protests that we've seen across france for more than two months now by responding to one of the main demands of the yellow dress protesters and that is that they don't have they say enough of a

marshall islands we're talking dorks we wish. i didn't know that corruption has reached a level like nothing ever before in our john tree. rank outsider. to president of the united states. the power was in the data we will moderate the american people with the truth and nothing else discovered. for winning the white house unfair game on al jazeera. it's now my judgment that the more likely outcome is a paralysis in parliament that risks being no brakes it a dire warning from theresa may ahead of her final push before m.p.'s to save her brakes a deal. on housing seeker this is al jazeera live from davos coming up turkey's foreign minister hits back a president trump for threatening economic devastation if it attacks kurdish fighters in syria. the u.s. secretary of state says the saudi crown prince has agreed on the need to scale down military operations in yemen. anger on the streets of zimbabwe after the government doubles the price of fuel overnight. low approve my deal or risk no brags it at all that is the message from the u.k. prime minister as she tries to convince m.p.'s to back her exit plan from the european unio

marshall was one of the more popular picks. soledad: yes. and he is no longer on the court. ms. sotomayor: and 15 percent of the population can name the chief justice john roberts. those are sad statistics. soledad: i really want to bang my head into this table that's depressing. ms. sotomayor: what's a worst statistic of all. one third of young people believe don't believe that democracy is important in the united states. that's a shocking figure that is more troubling to me than anything else. soledad: chief justice roberts was responding to something that the president had said he called someone an obama judge and he said this quote we do not have obama judges or trump judges bush judges or clinton judges. we have an extraordinary group of dedicated judges doing their level best to do equal right to those appearing before them. how do you remove politics from something that is teed up politically? ms. sotomayor: our founding fathers figured it out give us lifetime tenure. we're not beholden to any president. no president can remove us from office if they're unhappy with the way we're voting. soledad: you recently were at the capital paying tribute to

john hanson highway. aaron, eun. back to you. >> 5:32 right now. i want to letou no that marshall county publicop school two hours late process a llay there. et's get the forecast from our meteorology chuck bell. what are we h talking aboute chuck. >> 20s and 30s to get friday morning started. the average low temperature in washington is 29 degrees. technilly 36 is qui a bit above average. but there are places that are down below 29. man assis. p 23 in prince george's county. 31 in the pan handle of west virginia. for the forecast for friday, roe pact weatheray. good news. if you are looking for something to complaint about it will be breezy or blustery around this afternoon. northwest winds up around 15 to 25-mile-per-hour. and there will bee a lit extra cloudiness during the middle parts of the day between noon and 3:00. maybe able to wring out a flurry two. not bothering anybody. skies clear out after the sun goes down and it's cold friday evening. if you are going out, temperatures in the mid-20s. wind chills in the teens for iday evening plans. closer look at the weekend and

i'm glad john heilemann brought it up. this is a step towards marshal law. it brings us in that direction and that's a very dangerous precedent. i asked fellow conservatives and trump supporters and, by the way, democrats share that same -- i don't know anybody who doesn't want border security, the question is whether a wall works. the president has broken a fundamental promise. he said mexico would pay for the wall. he said they were going to write a check, he did actually say that. he goes further and says i'm going to get mexico now to pay for the wall indirectly through a great trade deal. first of all, the trade deal isn't enacted. it has to be ratified by the canadian government, mexican government and united states government before it can be enacted. let's give him the benefit of the doubt and suppose it is enacted and there's no provision in it to provide any money for the wall. let's suppose it will grow the economy and more revenue comes into the government, right, that's american taxpayer money. that's not mexican money. so what donald trump woul

john heilemann, mark ♪ ♪nnon, and alex wagner! ap >> stephen: welcome back. welcome back. ( cheers and applause ) >> my roger stone imitation right here. >> stephen: excellent. good to have you all back. now, marshall. mark, i don't think-- i don't think i've interviewed ow this show. back on the old gig we had you on a couple of times. >> yeah. >> stephen: never had you on with the two circus clowns here. >> clowns. >> stephen: let's talk aboutue had something in 2012, back in the day, "no labels" movement. >> trying to bring people together. >> stephen: less partisanship. less division in america. how did that work out, mark? >> big rock, steep hill. but they actually had a big breakthrough recently, the democrats in the caucus held out before they would vote for peeker pelosi before the rule change in the house, and the big change was if we get 290 people from both sides to cosponsor a piece of legislation it will now get an up-or-down vote. >> stephen: can't block it. >> yes. >> he's a believer. >> i'm a believer. >> stephen: there are some labels that this time around you would not expect to do well, but they do well. like, alexander "order james cn tez. do you think some of the rules of what