i think the best guidance that i came across was, um, a wonderful opinion by justice john marshall harlan in the 1970s. he said the question can't be how much privacy do people subjectively expect, it has to be how much privacy must citizens normatively demand to have security in their liberty in a free society? and that's a hard question. judges are uncomfortable deciding how much minimal privacy we need to be free and spontaneous and creative and not constantly looking over our shoulders. but i think that's a question that can't turn on expectations, it's just going to have to be at some point confronted. >> it's not just the aspect of pryce when we're out in -- privacy when we're out in public, but their capacity to peer into us now. it's not just geolocational. but i'm thinking now of the both positive and downside of, say, dna testing and the bloody brick case out of england which, and the spillover effects of dna testing. on the one hand, we know and celebrate the capacity to release people who are wrongly convicted, but what about those who are wrongly cast a shadow over by, you kn