smith jonas max farris, john mayfield with suzy welch. should all airlines do this even if it costs more? >> i know pilots object to it. most pilots are really good people and don't need this surveillance. with the fact that it is very costly, i think it would put peace of mind into the families of people who lost people in air disasters. on the offchance there is security violation going on, this is a way to see if two people are always in the cockpit as they need to be. frankly, in the big mysterious cases, if there had been cameras in the cockpit streaming video into the cloud, we would know where that plane was right now. >> there is a lot of arguments for it. government regulation. i know how you feel about that. >> i agree with everything suzy said but it's not the government's responsibility. unless we declare that airlines are somehow a public utility like amtrak, then it's not their responsibility. it's the responsibility of the airlines to do this if they want. let me give you an example. until i think 2019 backup cameras are no