now, back in 1931 in the middle of the depression came from an article, john maynard keynes -- i know you know. [laughing] saying that -- [inaudible] fifteen hour workweek. even in the middle of the depression he saw that, but aristocratic preferences come he wondered what the working class would do with the rest of their time, not realizing they could appreciate all the cultural and wonderful sports and so forth, things in life. is your point of view at all reflect what keynes thought in the middle of the depression, 1931, the prospect of how much employment manufacturing can result in, and if it's more and more automated then it's not going to result in a lot more. and then there's also fair trade, specialization in one area of the world, specialization in something else some other area. isn't that part of the international picture? >> look, manufacturing is just not going to solve the jobs problem. there's less and less need for people in manufacturing. i don't want to overemphasize it but the jobs solution has to be another part of the new deal which is the construction of public