john mccain has a plan. he's just going to figure out which rebels are good guy rebels, which rebels are bad guy rebels and only arm the good guys. >> every single day more and more extremists flow in, whether it be from iraq, whether it be from yemen, whether it be from libya. they're flowing in all the time, these extremists. but they still do not make up a sizeable portion, so we can identify who these people are, we can help the right people. >> easy peasy, just pick out the right people, give them missiles and stuff. it might sound, what's the right word, easier said than done. that's entirely the entirely skeet behind the john mccain-led arm the rebels movement. the idea that you can step into this sectarian fueled horrific civil war and pick out the good guys from the bad guys. now that conceit is foundational to the bill that passed through the foreign relations committee last week which calls for arm, and i'm quoting the bill, vetted opposition. as if there is some awesome foolproof vetting process

and john mccain was rejected. and now here we sit where he has gone into syria. ith the rebels. now, this is -- such a 2013 story, meghan mccain, daughter of john mccain, tweeted she found out via twitter that her dad had gone to syria. she said nothing quite like finding out via twitter that my father secretly snuck into syria and met with rebel leaders. the last tweet was meant in love. my father is one of the last remaining bad asses around. i'm proud to be called his daughter. bad ass. >> call him a bad ass. >> now, even weirder than that tweet, more bizarre than that tweet was the one that lindsey graham sent out yesterday afternoon. best wishes to john mccain in syria today. if he doesn't make it back, i'm calling dibs on his office. that's what he tweeted. >> that's not a parity account. >> what did he then say happy memorial day too? >> he didn't do that. he didn't do that. in other words saying maybe you make it back. maybe you don't. but if you don't i've got that sweet office. what? who says that. just imagine he doesn't come back. can you imagine? this

i love angry john mccain too. >> yeah, you love john mccain, let's be clear. >> i do. i have a shot of spot for him in my head. but we have to be careful for what we wish for. this is the deal, they want it have all eyes on the republicans to test that purity. and also, i mean, steve sort of alluded to this, the way that our elections run now, is that vitter -- or not vitter, but cruz and rubio will not be punished for this activity. you know, there's not going to be a seasoning period for them. they are actually going to be rewarded with donations for due doing this. as people like john mccain who might suffer, might actually get primaried, who knows. so they won't undergo the maturing process this sometimes happeneds in the senate, like after you've been there for a while. i'm curious how this will play out. you alluded to this as well. is this something that gets more and more extreme. that this fracture in the party that we already see in the last election will just widen into a gap? the republican party cannot hold. the weight of this now. >> it looked like it was

john mccain is wrong. he is wrong. >> john: he's sucking up to the tea party. 'm surprised the media made this about mccain and not about the fact that putin has come down. we've been saying where does putin stand? we know what he's going to do. he's going to arm assad to slaughter his own people to keep his figure head in power. >> that's how putin operates. >> john: to me, that's the real story. at this point, is this over? is it possible for the u.s. to arm the rebels or is what john mccain is doing at this point is fighting for another cold war, this one with camels? >> what is possible is people say -- i would say -- let's have -- naive and crazy. you know what's naive and crazy is arming the no-fly zone. couple of weeks to be held as liberators. senator kerry does have a good relationship with his russian counterpart. only solution is to have -- >> you can't really pick a side because you don't know who you're getting. you might be arming people who are worse than what's there now. >> john: the mentality of the enemy is my friend has never gotten us in tro

senator john mccain put himself right in the center of this storm. he visited syria. he visited in secret. it was a surprise visit. he stayed on the ground just for a few hours. senator mccain wants more to be done for the rebels. he wants weapons to start fl flowing and that might be likely after the european union is lifting an embargo. making it legal for them to give. or sell weapons to the syrian opposition. richard engel, beirut. >>> president obama is taking a detour to the jersey shore today. he will survey the progress of rebuilding along the coastline with governor chris christie. . it's a replay of a scene we saw days after the president's reelection in november. tracie potts is in washington with a preview of this. good morning trace. >> we're looking at the political impact. many say it had an impact on the election. now the tables are turned. we have governor christie, a republican governor in a heavily democratic state that the president easily carried, now again walking together, talking about cooperation. their focus today is rebuilding the enginejerse

. >>> secret mission, senator john mccain slips into syria to meet with rebel leaders. how will that complicate secretary of state john kerry's globe-trotting to try to find a diplomatic solution to the expanding civil war? >>> doling it out -- former senate majority leader and republican presidential candidate. bob dole offers some harsh advice for his own party. >> they ought to put a sign on the national committee door, closed for repair. >>> and here we go again -- the woman hired to fix rutgers after they fired an abusive coach now faces similar allegations of her own. she says she will not resign and the school is standing by her. we've got mike mad dog russo here to sound off. good day, i'm andrea mitchell live in washington. greetings from asbury park. seven months after the meeting that grabbed national headlines just days before the 2012 election. president obama and new jersey governor, chris christie touring the knewly reopened boardwalk at asbury park in the neighborhood still desperate for aid. joining me for our daily fix, chr chr chris. and peter. the pre

john mccain, back in a moment. stay with us. adam grant is here. at age 3-d 1 he is the youngest tenured and highest rated professor at wharton. his subject is organizational psychology. it is the study of behavior in business and industry. google, goldman sachs and the u.s. military have sought his help to enhance their performance. in a recent cover story for the "new york times" magazine susan dominus writes "in some sense he has built a career of professional motivation by trying to unpack the puzzle of his own success." he has a new book called "give and take: a revolutionary approach to success." i'm pleased to have adam grant at this table for the first time. welcome. >> thank you, i'm honored to be here. >> >> rose: here's the book. give and take. and here is the cover story. is giving the secret to getting ahead? make the case for giving. >> well, i think the first thing to do is divide the world into givers, takers, and matchers. the takers are those people that a lot of us love to hate, who try to get as

coming your way all conflicts still rages in syria the nation received a surprise visit senator john mccain made a quick trip to the war in torn country meeting with rebel fighters with the assad regime so will the u.s. soon arm the rebels look at this issue later. well it's tuesday may twenty eighth eight pm in washington d.c. i'm margaret how are you watching r t. and information content used to emerge regarding the department of justice keeping tabs on journalist and just who approved of those investigations into who journalists communicate with via phone and email well more than three weeks ago news broke that the department of justice seized phone records of the associated press reporters to find out who had leaked national security information then it came to light that fox white house correspondent james rosen was facing charges as a coconspirator under the espionage act for obtaining classified information from a state department source back in two thousand and nine president obama said that he would he was in trusting attorney general eric holder to look into the matter take a list

john mccain in syria. surprise. why was he there?re going to discuss it later in the program and turns out there will be no drones in texas, it's a new law except the new law allowing for a tremendous amount of drones in texas. >> remember the story of the young girl having the lesbian relationship, she was a senior with someone on her basketball team who was a freshman. there was a question whether they were going to give her a plea deal or not call her a sex offender if she went to trial a misdemeanor if she took the plea? did she take it? you have the rest of the show to find out. we start with trayvon martin. the george zimmerman trial is afoot now. there were early rulings. turns out the text messages will not be allowed of treyvon martin's. former fights he got into, not allowed. marijuana, not allowed. could be a sleet exception to that. we're going to have an expert, our panel on that. >> a big blow for the defense in the trayvon martin case. the case will not be delayed attorneys for george zimmerman asked a judge to postpon

this as senator john mccain made an unannounced visit into syria.enator mccain has long been a supporter of the syrian opposition and now he went to meet with them for himself. >> reporter: the visit lasted a few hours. no big delegation, secret and low profile but a high risk trip to an area that's recently seen air strikes and suicide attacks. senator mccain crossed into syria from turkey. the rebel faction he wants the u.s. to support with arms and a no fly zone. washington already supplies the army with food and medicine. mccain met with the free syrian army's general commander that spoke exclusively to nbc earlier this month. he's a moderate and the mccain trip seemed aimed at highlighting him as a partner in a conflict where white house officials said there's no one they trust enough to fully support. instead, the white house is pushing for a negotiated settlement and a u.s. and russian backed conference next month. >> we are committed to this. we want to make the conference happen together with many other conference that joined up. >> as the

nation issued the following statement: : >> michael: it'sen credible that they could challenge john mccainanything on memorial day of all people to challenge that's where they have it the most wrong. that good ol' fashioned 501 c 4 social welfare talk, obviously mccain is not going to unite his own party what about mcconnell. he's neck and neck with democratic state secretary lunder gran-grimes. and it's not just the national republican party tearing each other to shred. the same is true in the states. jan would youer is fighting with the republican state house to expand medicaid as required under obama-care. when january jan brewer is the voice of reason for your party you know you have a huge problem. sung lee kemp, welcome inside the war room. >> thank you for having me. >> michael: your colleagues wrote about boehner's cenking power. is the tea party out of control at this point. >> i think there really no other way for the speak for approach this particular conference. they've been very vocally opposed to what leadership has opposed since the midterm elections of 2010 and especially w

has one solution, draft john mccain.is an one man seal team six or keating 5 which makes him an one man seal keating 11. if you believe dropping more bombs on mid eastern heads can be it, then you know this is the time to draft mccain. it takes a warmonger to guarantee all the safety of u.s. civil troops and mccain is such a bad ass he has a new action movie coming out "fast and furious 7 the turn signal never stops." what is important, he is the only man who can solve this and we know it because the morning news shows keep letting him tell us week after week after week after week. so send him "n" mccain, and lindsey graham will bravely volunteer to be his police one. that's "viewpoint" for tonight. i want to thank my panel. elo james white and a paul mecurio, and dean obeidallah. have a great evening good night, mom. >> joy: tonight barbara walters made her big announce amount that she is retiring. i have my own big announcement. there are mice in this building. who said al gore left us with nothing. and i'll sit down w

if it's sunday, you know john mccain is running his mouth about benghazi. congressman darrell issa wants to take everything behind closed doors now all of a sudden. and a former bush secretary of defense sets the record straight and comes forward and has some interesting words to say about hillary clinton. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> look at the mouth on this one. >> no kidding. >> i would call it a cover-up. >> i think that's nonsense. >> it just doesn't seem like there is a cover-up. >> and i think the american people will think it's nonsense. >> i would call it a cover-up in the extent that there was willful removal of information. >> our intelligence committee will have a report and i hope we will put some of these things to rest. >> it's really about one thing and one thing only. >> secretary clinton -- >> secretary clinton -- >> secretary clinton -- >> and my concern is, when hillary clinton's name is mentioned 32 times in a hearing -- >> secretary clinton. >> secretary clinton. >> everyone knows this is just a partisan witch hunt. >>

>>> john mccain is in syria. white house officials, by the way, said they knew about mccain's mission beforehand. you put it together. >>> finally let me finish tonight with this question. we get into a war in syria, what are we fighting for? exactly? and who? this is "hardball." the place for politics. [ larry ] you know throughout history, folks have suffered from frequent heartburn but now, thanks to treating with prilosec otc, we don't have to suffer like they used to. [ bell dings ] ♪ [ horse whinnies ] getting heartburn and then treating day after day is a thing of the past. block the acid with prilosec otc, and don't get heartburn in the first place. we've sure come a long way. ♪ [ male announcer ] one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. >>> wow, we have new polling data from up in massachusetts on that special election for the united states senate coming up in june. according to an emerson college poll, u.s. congressman ed markey opened up a 12-point lead over republican gabriel gomez. markey 45%

>> arming the bosnians, recognizing training has got to be a part of that. >> john mccain's big push ime around has had a real tangible effect on the syrian conflict. european union has lifted its arms embargo against the syrian rebels which mccain tweeted thanks for today. and last week, while everyone was paying attention to breaking weather news, the committee passed by a huge margin a bipartisan bill calling for the u.s. to arm certain syrian rebel groups. now, we have no reason to believe that during this secret trip to syria to meet with the rebels that john mccain met with, for instance, the specific syrian rebel who is seen on videotape eating the lung of a dead syrian government soldier, but that is a thing that happened in syria recently. i'm not making it up. i will tell you the story of the rebel leader seen on tape eating the internal or begun of a pro assad soldier after the break. >>> in the wake of john mccain sneaking into syria, we're talking about the escalating tension in syria. joining me at the table, an author, journalist and contributor to "news week," and bran

he frames this group as opposed to john mccain. and when he said, as you said, i don't trust the democrats, i don't trust the republicans. that might have been seen as a blunder inside the beltway among some people. that was a message that resonated among a whole lot of people, and not just the birthers, birchers and secessionists. he is talking for a number of people, whether progressives and moderates inside washington think he is or not. >> okay. let me do what i like to do, find inconsistency. joan, you can start. it's my greatest joy is to find inconsistency. people on the right and not just the birthers went after barack obama because he has an african name and they figured to have some fun so a lot of them said he was born in kenya. weirdly he was over there not in honolulu but over in kenya. they made this notion up that since they all know his white mother, if you will, was american, they say he's not really eligible to be president. now you have the exact same situation with cruz. his american mother had him up in canada

that's syria, lebanon, israel, russia, the european union and john mccain.ll in the soup together now, all working on the theory that more weapons and faster escalation is the right way forward now. this does not seem to me like it is going to end well. but what do i know? joining us now from beirut in lebanon is richard engel. thank you for staying up into the middle of the night for us. again, it's great to see you. >> it is great to see you and it's hard to see how this is going to end well or how it is going well right now. there are really no good options here. because the conflict is spreading. it is already inside lebanon. it is certainly inside syria, it is certainly in iraq, a country you didn't mention where there were just about a dozen car bombs the other day. something needs to happen. whether it's the maximalist approach, the diplomacy that the white house is pushing for, whether it is the continued option which israel wants of being able to go into syria with its planes, which is why it doesn't want russia to give syrians any anti-aircraft mis

senator john mccain made a surprise to syria. uprising against the president asad. tara merge ener on the strategy. >> reporter: senator john mccain crossed the boarder to meet with military commanders against the asad regime. made the trip because he believes the u.s. has abandoned the rebel fighters. wanted to show them the american people support their war. >> the united states is not leading or assisting. >> but the obama administration is looking for a diplomatic end to the war. john kerry met with russian counterpart to discuss next month's peace conference. >> we are committed to this. we both twuntd make this conference happen. >> bring the fractured opposition groups to the table. while russians attempt to negotiate. >> but mccain wants the u.s. to implement a no fly zone to change the situation on the ground. >> unless asad is convinced that the battlefield situation will not be in his favor, in other words, if he believes he can survive, i do not believe he will seriously negotiate. >> the fighters could soon have more support. late last night the europea

>>> john mccain is in syria. white house officials, by the way, said they knew about mccain's mission beforehand. you put it together. >>> finally let me finish tonight with this question. we get into a war in syria, what are we fighting for? exactly? and who? this is "hardball." the place for politics. ♪ [ agent smith ] i've found software that intrigues me. it appears it's an agent of good. ♪ [ agent smith ] ge software connects patients to nurses to the right machines while dramatically reducing waiting time. [ telephone ringing ] now a waiting room is just a room. [ static warbles ] >>> wow, we have new polling data from up in massachusetts on that special election for the united states senate coming up in june. according to an emerson college poll, u.s. congressman ed markey opened up a 12-point lead over republican gabriel gomez. markey 45%, gomez 33%. the election is four weeks from today. it's a good one to show up for. and we'll be right back. who to e without going to angie's list first. you'll find rev

senator john mccain believes president obama should do more.or mccain says he was provided security for the visit by the state department, as well as some opposition forces. senator mccain, former presidential candidate and senior senator from arizona joins us tonight. >> the first u.s. senator to travel to syria since this conflict began more than two years ago. what was it like, first of all, to be there? >> it was a very moving experience to meet these fighters who have been struggling now for over two years, and they're very aware of the battlefield situation, and they're very disturbed about the traumatic influx of hezbollah fighters, more iranians, and of course, stepped up activities of bashar al-assad. >> which rebel groups did you meet with and what was their message to you? >> the overall commander of the syrian resistance was my escort, and i had a long meeting. they selected the people that we met with, which was a group of battalion commanders, who were fighting as far away as aleppo and around syria. their message was, to be frank

then today, senator john mccain put himself right in the eye of the storm. a brief secret trip into syria. he crossed in from turkey. he was accompanied by a free syrian army commander. he just stayed on the ground for a few hours. senator mccain wants more done to help the opposition. he wants a no-fly zone. he wants the rebels to be armed. today that looked a little more possible. the european union announced it was lifting an arms embargo making it legal for european nations to give or sell weapons to the syrian opposition. natalie? >> richard engel covering it on all fronts in beirut. thank you. >>> tonight, wide open spaces and worrying signs at the most popular vacation spots for american families. >>> later, making a difference with high honors and a time to reflect for our nation's greatest generation. >>> memorial day signals the kick-off for tourist season in the national park system. but from the shenandoah in the east to the haleakala in hawaii, visitors may discover the nation's parks are showing signs of wear and tear and are in real need of mo

never say if x happens, y will happen, but john mccain imagines that the president said that. one of the most nonsensical arguments being advanced now for america going to war, once again, is that if the imaginary red line is crossed and we don't do something after saying we would do something, then american foreign policy credibility would be harmed, to which every sane person in the united states and around the world is saying what credibility? >> from the standpoint iraqi people, my belief is we will be greeted as libber ators. >> and ballistic missiles threaten the peace and security of many nations. >> we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud. >> richard wolff, there's our credibility. the previous administration did

carolina the week before the primary and became was way ahead in the primary the said if you knew that john mccain had an out of wedlock daughter with a black woman would you still vote for him and they made sure those pictures got the newspapers and suddenly mccain drops a point ga. bush became the nominee and went on to become president that same kind of thing in the exact same state is happening right now the push poll happening would you vote for elizabeth colbert busch if you knew that she'd had an abortion she'd never had abortion would you know would you vote for her if you knew she was caught running up to begin to charge you know would you vote for if you judge held in contempt of divorce but it never had stuff that never happened what about the stuff that really did happen what if we had to push poll says what if i told her mark sanford has been arrested for the criminal offense of trespass and or facing charges for it is divorce attorneys or a disappeared for a week levy no one to run the government of south carolina or that he hid out in argentina they have wild sex with his mistress a

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meanwhile, senator john mccain decided to conduct some personal foreign policy. mccain slipped across the syrian border yesterday to meet with rebel leaders. tara mergener is in washington with details. >> reporter: mccain has been a strong advocate for u.s. action in syria. in contrast to the obama administration's more restrained approach, his visit could put pressure now on washington to intervene. senator john mccain crossed the border from turkey into syria to meet with military commanders waging war against the bashar al assad regime. the woman who helped set up the visit said mccain made the trip because he believes the u.s. has abandoned the rebel fighters. she says they wanted to show them the american people support their war. it's a sentiment mccain himself hinted at this weekend. >> right now bashar al assad is winning. that's because the united states is not leading or assisting. >> reporter: but the obama administration is looking for a diplomatic end to the war. secretary of state john kerry met with his russian counterpart in paris to discuss next

>> i think john mccain has been consistent on his stance on this. said for a while he is urging for president obama's administration do more with syria. and i think that he, when he came back and you got a look at this through the lens of the bengahzi criticism that he has been lodging recently, he says the syrians told him that they want more support from obama, the syrian rebels, and that he's going to continue to urge for that support. >> now, oprah stepped into the political arena this week touting background checks and immigration reform. does she have political juice? she did help get obama into office in 2008. >> she backed off in 2012. she said she still supported him. i would never count oprah out. she seems to be growing her network. i think we're still -- she made headlines yesterday with sandy hook, gun control, eluding to this second amendment rights in her honorary degree yesterday. so, she is still grabbing headlines and knows how to make a point. >> all right. politico's kevin cirilli, thank you. >>> up next, bill karins and richard

the president was wise enough to never say if x happens, y will happen, but john mccain imagines that president said that. one of the most nonsensical arguments being advanced now for america going to war, once again, is that if the imaginary red line is crossed and we don't do something after saying we would do something, then american foreign policy credibility would be harmed, to which every sane person in the united states and around the world is saying what credibility? >> from the standpoint iraqi people, my belief is we will be greeted as libber ators. >> and ballistic missiles threaten the peace and security of many nations. >> we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud. >> richard wolff, there's our credibility. the previous administration did everything it possibly could to eliminate any notion of worldwide credibility for american foreign policy predictions or pronouncements. >> lawrence, i think you're being unfair. they did say there were red lines over iraq, and saddam hussein, being saddam hussein, crossed them. you can't doubt their sincerity of desire to go

. >>> also, what senator john mccain saw inside his trip inside syria and the action he thinks americahould take right now. it's his first interview since leaving syria. he joins us in a "360" exclusive. mine was earned in djibouti, africa. 2004. vietnam in 1972. [ all ] fort benning, georgia in 1999. [ male announcer ] usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection and because usaa's commitment to serve military members, veterans, and their families is without equal. begin your legacy, get an auto insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve. ♪ even if it's so wrong ♪ i wanna scream out loud ♪ boy, but i just bite my tongue ♪ ♪ this one's for the girls messin' with boys ♪ ♪ like he's the melody and she's background noise ♪ [ volume decreases ] thanks, mom! have fun! you too. ♪ ♪ >>> minnesota congresswoman michele bachmann announced she is not going to seek re-election in 2014. a nearly nine-minute video on her website, bachmann said her decision was not impacted by her 2012 presidential campaign and sh

senate pass a resolution saying that john mccain's eligible.here need to be actually claireity? does congress need to step in need to be in the constitution? what's necessary here? what you will end up and we are getting to already a consensus relating to things like the resolution of john mccain, editorialists, the major media outlets, you will have discussions like this one in which it's going to be hard to find somebody on the opposite side. you will have that consensus that develops in an organic way and doesn't require the courts to get involved, the only reason that there's an -- that there's an argument here even is that the courts have not definitively resolved this with question and something they are unlikely to do. there will always be just a little bit of a door opening for political opponents to make these kinds of arguments in cases like this it's a little bit of a door opening. i think ted cruz's candidacy will be decided on other grounds. i think there will be some general acceptance he is eligible to serve for the presidency. >

follow your line of thinking if it coincided with john mccain. war he wants you know what he wants a fly low fly zone we learn from libya what a no fly zone means it means twenty two thousand aerial attacks nine thousand of them targeting every target a kid on a motorcycle if necessary so mccain wants an all out war israel would like all out war but i think the russians and the iranians and the americans and the eventually be e.u. and the u.n. i looking at this different way and you know if you come to syria you'll see it's a little more complex and those who say they understand it all i think they don't i think there's plenty of confusion so i thought i'd bet on the only bright spot i see are the iranians the americans and the the russians are pushing with arab or he may be the others are peace program and plan and remember ball on the foreign minister said that the syrians will show up when they don't come to the table let al their short come let john mccain come they're all calm that's better than what's going on now it's got to be preceded by

gwen: governing. >> but look at john mccain. john mccain could be helpful on immigration. he's their worst enemy on benghazi. >> don't forget the prospects for a budget deal as well. you have tax reform and an effort by max baucus and dave camp and new c.b.o. numbers showing the deficit coming down rapidly. that means the kind of deal you would need to make further progress over the long run isn't as big. numbers aren't as big. might make it easier to do and all sides might have an incentive to get it done. >> the question is if you're a republican who wants to work with the president, if your constituents will allow you, because your constituents are thinking the white house isn't telling the truth. they're thinking they got the i.r.s. going into their records. and so if you're a republican senator and you turn back to your constituents and say, buy this deal i'm selling you because you can trust the white house. they may think you're nuts. gwen: we have so much more to talk about. and guess what? the conversation is going to end here but it's going to continue right as t

i don't want to have to remind john mccain about the national security history of this country. but it wasn't that long ago that this country went to the defense of beleaguered massacred muslims in bosnia, for instance, we took the approach in chechnya, where the russian government was engaged in ethnic cleansing and bombing muslim chechens. we said, as a country, this was wrong. now we didn't do anything about it in bosnia. we took military action. and it so happens that when this country stands up for human rights and relickous freedom and stands against ethnic cleansing that sometimes there are muslim radicals who are on the same side as the united states. did you know what, they're on the same side in syria right now. john mccain himself says that the syrian rebels need american support, and guess who is also supporting the syrian rebels? >> al qaeda. >> the jihadis. so the world is a complicated place, john mccain ought to know this. >> and to set a certain type of criteria, these are the kinds of people who become terrorists or get radicalized is virtually impossible. >>>

>> it could, and i sense that what john mccain was doing in part -- john mccain is a strong supporter of immigration reform. i think what he was saying there is we can deal with this issue as part of comprehensive immigration reform because he doesn't want to stop -- have this stop immigration reform. he really wants it to pass. secondly, there are people here on visas, people who overstay their visas. i suspect in a free country there'll always be some of that. i think there's a careful balance here to be struck, which is of course we don't want to let people in who wish americans harm. on the other hand, having students come to america, including muslim students from muslim countries, is one of the best things we do in terms of building friendship and support for the united states. so we want to be very careful here. yes, we want to protect ourselves, but we also don't want to shut down student visas in such a broad way that we keep out all kinds of students who wish america well and would profit from being here and be our friends. >> so maybe the question becomes, could at least th