we did meet with john mcdonough and senator kennedy when he was still alive during the health care debateround the affordable care act. we just disagree that the tax subsidy of the purchase of private health insurance is going to get us to universal coverage. the affordable care act, best -- best europe, 29 case in europe, 29 million are still uninsured. the underinsured. this guarantees health care as he human right. we are not there and that is why we must keep pressing for. california can literally lead the nation in doing so and we can prove to john and the other skeptics that in fact, if we institute a policy that eliminates the nefarious role that insurance companies provide, we can guarantee health care for all. that is the evolution we need to make from the affordable care act. amy: michael lighty, take for being with us, director for public policy for national nurses united and the california nurses association. when you come back, author naomi klein on "no is not enough." ♪ [music break] amy: "minstrel" by philip cohran & the artistic heritage ensemble. cohran, a legendary trump