we are trying to--well,the f--john mcgee's film is available in the united states. i mean,several copies of--were made, so they're in different archives and different homes. but john mcgee--sorry, john rabe's copy--we don't know where it is because people have searched the german archives and they can't find it. so to this day, they're not sure if hitler has really seen it, but the family's convinced that he did. c-span: if you saw the john mcgee film, what would you see? what--do you see the atrocities? >> guest: you would see people being led away by the japanese soldiers. you have to remember, he couldn't just, you know, stick the camera up, you know, right in f--in front of their faces. this had to be done secretly. so you could see some footage that is filmed through, like, maybe a crack in the door, a crack in the window, and you would see crowds of chinese being taken away. and the most gripping images come from the hospital, where there were victims who had--who had escaped being burned alive, people who had been slashed with bayonets. there's one picture wh